... in tax credits went to illegal workers in America last year.
Fucking awesome.
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... in tax credits went to illegal workers in America last year.
Fucking awesome.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...aKvJ_blog.html
Hey...stop doggin' on the illegals. They're entitled to the same constitutional rights as you are, young man.
Yeah, they were born here pay taxes and have car insurance. They want to assimilate and be as American as you and me.........wait, who again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Undocumented workers people, get it right.
Actually according to Prince Harry, they're Undocumented Americans now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
I actually posted a link to this in another thread. I've said it before, calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "undocumented pharmacist"...
That's a good one, I like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
My dad has been telling me that this credit is basically welfare for years, and that the people who get it, basically pay zero taxes at all. I'm torn on this issue. On one hand, I think that it sounds reasonable to allow the IRS to check for legal status before dolling out money. On the other, smarter, stronger hand, I think it is terrifying to give a government agency even more power, especially based on some stupid welfare law like this, and instead the law should be changed and the IRS severely reduced or even just eliminated.
I don't know if any of you have dealt with the IRS like I have, but they are terrible, terrible people and there is nothing that you can do about it.
I have. I put the IRS and the people that work for the IRS right up there with the people who work for TSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
For those who think I'm being vague, because I was, you can go on a payment plan with the IRS to pay back your taxes. It costs something like $50 - $75 to be put onto the plan. The IRS apparently thinks that it's just fucking hilarious, to send you back your payments, then send you a letter demanding that you pay, then when you call them and ask what the deal is, they say, "I see you've been taken off the payment plan, but I can't figure out why. BUT, for only $75 we can get you going on that plan again today!"
"But you just said that you were the ones that took me off the plan. Why was I taken off the plan. I was sending my money in, and YOU SENT IT BACK."
"Well, I'm not sure, but for just $75 we can get you back on that plan!"
Those fuckers have done that more than once to us. When you go on a plan, you can send in a check, or have them EFT the payment, but you can't just pay them online. You have to go through a third party company, and use your card to pay the third party company. However, you can't use each third party company more than 2 or 3 times! So every few payments, you have to find a NEW third party company to pay through, and I don't even think there are enough of those companies to get you a years worth of payments! It is a system specifically designed to not only extract extra fees from you, but to have you fail completely.
We filed our 2004 return and got our refund.
We filed our 2005 return and the IRS held our refund stating there was a "problem" with the return. No explanation what the problem was.
We filed our 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009 returns, with refunds due on each. We never got the refunds. We'd been dealing with trying to figure out what the "problem was for 5 years at this point. The IRS owed us almost $20,000 in unpaid returns.
In Dec 2009 the IRS claimed we never filed our 2004 returns. That was the "problem" that had been plaguing us for all those years. They gave us 30 days to prove we filed our 2004 returns. After about 10 days had passed they sent us a letter stating they were going to seize almost $12,000 from my wife's bank accounts. We complained and for the second time faxed a copy of our 2004 returns.
They seized about $6200 from my wife's account.
So, over the subsequent 12 months, untold number of faxes and phone calls and uncooperative and uncaring "customer service" people, we finally discovered the "problem".
In 2004, after 15 years of filing jointly with me as the primary taxpayer, we filed jointly again but listed my wife as the primary tax payer. Don't recall why, that's just the way it turned out. At any rate, it completely fucking baffled the IRS computers and people that run them because they can't match up SSAN if you send them in differently than you did in the past. I know...it didn't make sense to us, either.
But we were appointed an IRS Advocate who actually helped us to resolve the issue. We started to get the refund checks and the money seized from my wife's bank account was returned.
We got the last check, our 2009 refund, in March of this year. We've finally been paid all the money they owe us.
And for those of you wondering, interest on $4,428 (our 2005 refund due) over 5 years according to the IRS came out to a whopping $84.
So, no...I don't have much use for the IRS. It's no wonder people get fed up to the point they fly their small planes into IRS buildings killing themselves in the process.
And Irving's right. There is absolutely nothing you can do to anyone there because no one is responsible for anything. There is zero accountability within the organization. Zero.
Just like TSA...I'd go hungry and live on the street before I'd work for the IRS.
Which is why we need to repeal the 16th Amendment and institute a VAT instead.
Its ironic that you can murder your unborn children because of a "constitutional right to privacy" and yet the government can completely invade your privacy every year by demanding you tell them how much money you make (and then throw you in jail and/or confiscate your property if they just THINK you made a mistake ... no "innocent until proven guilty" in tax court).
Its down right Un-American.
Oh lord no. Flat tax or end use tax. Value added tax is the debil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I'd prefer a national sales tax over the VAT. The collection mechanism is already in place and everyone will pay their share. Either way, nuke the IRS.
ETA: Some people seem to use VAT and a NST interchangeably. Are they the same?
I figured they're the same ... if there's a difference than someone let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Oh and whatever tax we end up with it needs to be capped at 10% GDP. God only asks for 10%, Why should Uncle Sam get more?
Not at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Vat means that tax is collected at EVERY level of production (i.e. for a house, the contractor pays tax on the wood for framing, the shingles, the nails, the cement, the whatever else they need to build a house). NST means it is collected at the retail level (i.e. for a house you pay tax on the retail sale of said house, the contractor does not pay sales tax on anything because he is a wholesaler).
Ah, so a NST would be simpler than a VAT and would have less impact on producers.
Ok, put me down for the NST instead of the VAT ... but frankly either would be preferable to an income tax.
And again, some sort of cap on taxes is needed (lest they just keep raising the tax every session until they're again damaging the free market system).