American Hero Presidents

Do you realize we used to have american presidents who fought for our country? Seriously they fought and sacrificed and were basically bad asses...

JFK- lived the entire rest of his life in debilitating back pain after WWII
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...ara/st6499.jpg

George H.W Shot down and came back fighting
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--Zd2D63bWx...U/s640/gb1.jpg

IKE Lead the allied forces to defeat the real AXIS of evil
http://www.old-picture.com/defining-...pers-D-Day.jpg

Man it's almost like you could go on and on and on...

What the fuck happened to us?

They taught us this in history classes. JFK was the one i remember when he ran for the pres, all his heroics coming out. You know, Cliff Robertson who portrayed him in PT109 just passed.
You left out G. Washington, Andy Jackson, US Grant to add a few others.

As to what happened to us, IMHO.
The media morphing into the web. America does not mind soldiers doing what is necessary to keep them free.
They do however freak when the killing is in real time.
The "enemy" went from a defined group to enemy combatants who don't wear uniforms, have US Attorneys and politicians tell us they are entitled to the same constitutional protection as US Citizens do. Yet the same bleeding hearts feel we should do away with guns, for the good of the people.

That's exactly what is, history. Studs like Tommy Franks and Norman Schwarzkopf could never be elected because they weren't ticket-punchers, they were warriors. Instead we get Wesley Clark.

Teddy Roosevelt was a bonified badass too...

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Originally Posted by Guylee

Teddy Roosevelt was a bonified badass too...

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Amen

I was about to say, regardless of what you think of his policies, Teddy Roosevelt was the manliest President this nation ever had.

If I could have dinner with any person, living or dead. It'd be him. And then I'd fight him, so I could say I had dinner with and got my ass kicked by Teddy Roosevelt.

Andrew Fucking Jackson: Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Seminole War he fought because he had to and because he was good at it and he freaking liked it. 7 and 0 in duels. Battle of New Orleans British casualties:2037 American:71.

Enjoy the ass whipping limey assholes

Actual picture of Jackson; as you can clearly see his horse has cast iron balls too
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...C_Missouri.jpg

Obama killed Osama, he won the war on terror...true hero there folks.

An interesting listing of US Presidents and their military service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...litary_service

Don't forget,,, BO was a Community Organizer...

Hey and he did marry a Wookie,, so that in it'self is uh well,,, heroic?

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

Hey and he did marry a Wookie,, so that in it'self is uh well,,, heroic?

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HAAHAHAHA.... Indeed sir. I hear mating one of then is pretty perilous. But our alliance with Kashyyyk had to be sealed with a mated union, in the highest Wookie traditions

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Originally Posted by cstone

An interesting listing of US Presidents and their military service.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...litary_service

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My thought is you could nearly pull any Presidents name from a hat and find a MAN with a back bone and military service.

Another random example Gerry Ford: At the height of the storm, which lasted 2 days, several planes tore loose from their cables, causing several fires on the hangar deck. During the storm future US President Gerald Ford, who served on board the ship, was almost swept overboard. Volunteering to lead a fire fighting team below decks, Ford and his team fought all night to extinguish the fires that threatened his ship

Bad-ass American

OH and by the way.... when our country really hit the shitter last who was on the list of presidents then:
Taft
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover

Not a lick of military service in the bunch and they either initiated the policies or presided over the Great Depression.

Look at the last 3 ass holes... (really could be last 5 but don't want to start that fight)

Well JC served and we went in the shitter then so military service didn't help him.

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

Well JC served and we went in the shitter then so military service didn't help him.

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Okay so we could go 6 back.... and really does Navy Reserve count? At least JC appears to be and have been a really good and decent Christian man. Maybe not a great president but maybe a good man

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Originally Posted by TDYRanger

a really good and decent Christian man

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I like the subtle implication that you can't be good or decent without being Christian.

H.

If you guys have ever read the book "flyboys" it discusses GHWB in a little bit of detail, and what he did in his flying days.

Great read if you haven't already. I would highly reccomend it.

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

I like the subtle implication that you can't be good or decent without being Christian.

H.

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Not true at all. A lot of my wife's family is bubbhist and they are some of the most decent, good people I know. Even a MOH winner in there (and no my wife doesn't cruse the forum)

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

I like the subtle implication that you can't be good or decent without being Christian.

H.

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You often accuse conservatives here of seeing things that aren't there ... I think you're doing that now.

One can be decent without being Christian just like one can be a pizza without being pepperoni, but the OP was asking for a specific kind of "decent man" (just like one ordering a pepperoni pizza is not a claim that all pizzas must be pepperoni).


I hope that made sense ('cause now I'm all hungry and lunch is a good hour and a half away).

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Originally Posted by TDYRanger

Taft
Wilson
Harding
Coolidge
Hoover

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Why are Harding and Coolidge on that list?

They both presided over policies that created the roaring 20s which set the standard for peacetime prosperity not matched until the 80s (and repudiated the progressive policies of both Wilson before them and Hoover after them).

Harding was a mixed bag president (most historians rank him as one of the worst presidents) I don't think I would say that. He did preside over some major scandals: Teapot dome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal

As well as his appointment of fund raisers and political supporters that used the national government (especially the Veteran's Bureau) as there personal ATM

Coolidge Did a pretty good job and actually worked to build the middle class and restore the public's faith in the Presidency after the scandals of the Harding administration. I unfortunately dropped him in there because he was in the time line a was not a vet. Not his fault he was the good one in the string of bad and mediocre (at best)

Can't believe no one has shown love for the O.G. yet

http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/tr...mages/1437.jpg

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Originally Posted by TS12000

Can't believe no one has shown love for the O.G. yet

http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/tr...mages/1437.jpg

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The baddest of the bad, the Oldest of the old school pimps, The original Gangsta. A king made and not accepted. Country first, America First

I like this version

http://rjmoeller.com/wp-content/uplo...-500x375-1.jpg

I don't feel as though a man should be the commander and chief unless he once served in the military. I wished that we still used the model of the state militia where citizens can serve, but that is another topic of conversation.

The greatness and humility of George Washington is something to behold.

I don’t feel as though Obama is a horrible president because I disagree with him politically. I think he is horrible because he does not believe in this country nor would you ever see him profess that America is great. If your commander and chief spent most of his life and associated with people who looked at this country with contempt, then how could this country ever be great when he is the leader? He is not capable of sacrificing everything he has for his fellow countryman.

Today, our presidents are chosen in the same way as the next American Idol. If it is hip and politically correct, why not? When McCain, who I don’t necessarily like politically but respect for all that he sacrificed, lost to a man who’s spiritual journey was influenced by a man who professed “God Damn America”, I felt as though this country lost a part of it soul where the best days are in the rear view mirror.

OK I call BS, you don't stand up in a row boat.

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Originally Posted by MED

I don't feel as though a man should be the commander and chief unless he once served in the military. I wished that we still used the model of the state militia where citizens can serve, but that is another topic of conversation.

The greatness and humility of George Washington is something to behold.

I don’t feel as though Obama is a horrible president because I disagree with him politically. I think he is horrible because he does not believe in this country nor would you ever see him profess that America is great. If your commander and chief spent most of his life and associated with people who looked at this country with contempt, then how could this country ever be great when he is the leader? He is not capable of sacrificing everything he has for his fellow countryman.

Today, our presidents are chosen in the same way as the next American Idol. If it is hip and politically correct, why not? When McCain, who I don’t necessarily like politically but respect for all that he sacrificed, lost to a man who’s spiritual journey was influenced by a man who professed “God Damn America”, I felt as though this country lost a part of it soul where the best days are in the rear view mirror.

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Amen Sir [Beer]

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Originally Posted by TDYRanger

Not true at all. A lot of my wife's family is bubbhist and they are some of the most decent, good people I know. Even a MOH winner in there (and no my wife doesn't cruse the forum)

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Yeah I shouldn't post in the morning before my second cup of coffee. I was recently discussing this with someone else, who basically felt that you couldn't be moral without some religious belief (not even Christian, though that's what he was)

Cheers

H.

No prob Hoosier. Fundamentals can deal in absolutes that will make you a little crazy

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Originally Posted by TS12000

Can't believe no one has shown love for the O.G. yet

http://www.truthcontrol.com/files/tr...mages/1437.jpg

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you must have skipped over my post #2 on page 1. G. Washington, or should i have given his full first name for the public skool members:)


http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46167

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Originally Posted by jim

you must have skipped over my post #2 on page 1. G. Washington, or should i have given his full first name for the public skool members:)


http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46167

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I was trying to find it I knew somebody had the OG on the list

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Originally Posted by jim

you must have skipped over my post #2 on page 1. G. Washington, or should i have given his full first name for the public skool members:)


http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46167

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Swing and a miss, I'm kind of surprised no one else pointed it out before you [Beer]

On a side note us publik skool boys probably know more about Pancho Villa and Santa Anna than Washington these days.

everyone on that list would hang their head in shame to see what we have become.

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Originally Posted by Tor Larson

You are joking, right?

Takes a bit more than sitting on your douche ass and sending in real heroes to do the real work/killing.

Obeyme also won the Nobel Peace Prize...for doing nothing. Nobel also awarded to the German who pioneered the German gas program of WW1 (lotta deaths from that) and invented Zyklon B. Yep, Obeyme is up there with some greats.

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Okay Tor we need to have a serious lesson is sarcasm. The tongue we firmly planted in the cheek there bud [ROFL1]

IMHO, I think that if you are going to run our country and control our military then you should have to be in the military at some point in your life.

Randy

Since President Washington was mentioned several times in this thread, and I saw this excellent quote this morning, I thought I would share:

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

Source
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/au...ashington.html

Plenty of laudible quotes here from the first among equals.

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

OK I call BS, you don't stand up in a row boat.

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You do if you're GW. Badazz mofo!

If only more presidents these days had his attitude.

"OK, OK. I'll raise an army. I'll even take my ragtag army and kill the tyrannical sons-a-bitches that need killin. Then when I'm done, leave me the hell alone."

"OK, OK. I'll be your president and get this country started in the right direction. But I want someone to take over for me ASAP so I can home, live out my days and die in peace."

A lot of leadership and visionary molds were broken back in those days.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

You do if you're GW. Badazz mofo!

If only more presidents these days had his attitude.

"OK, OK. I'll raise an army. I'll even take my ragtag army and kill the tyrannical sons-a-bitches that need killin. Then when I'm done, leave me the hell alone."

"OK, OK. I'll be your president and get this country started in the right direction. But I want someone to take over for me ASAP so I can home, live out my days and die in peace."

A lot of leadership and visionary molds were broken back in those days.

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IIRC- Old GW didn't even want the job- it took a lot of convincing to get him to rule the country- and he was even offered up the position for 12 years, but wanted to limit it so we didn't become a dictatorship.
I closed my hears to the liberal bs in school when they mentioned Pancho Villa, Cesar "commie" Chavez, and Che "The Himler of Latin America" Guevera. Why do kids these days think that all these so called "Heroes" (Like Che) are so badass. That's like saying Dahmer is cool.
We need another Reagan and fast!