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Why didn't you post some of your thoughts along with this article.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
To me, NATO served a purpose, we protected millions from Soviet enslavement. I think those days are coming back but now Europe does not have the resources to take on any aggressive adversary and I'm not sure Europe is worth protecting any longer.
Look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, they all rely on Germany for their economic well being. All of these countries have rejected reducing their government spending and they cut everything except entitlements.
Maybe it is time to let them sleep in the bed they've made for themselves. Germany will want something for all the largess they are bestowing on these other countries.
Do you think Europe will help us when our economy finally collapses under the weight of entitlement spending?
There is a lot to be said about NATO, but stepping back I can sum it up by realizing that it, the EU and the G20 summit are test runs for a global government. It will fall apart when the Euro falls apart (I hope). They are based on the same idealist / globalist views and drive for the power and control of imaginary created wealth will harbor peace and guide the mindless peasants through their daily lives. The EU is showing crystal clear that a nation is only as strong as its weakest constituent population, and an collection of nations is no different. It must suck to be Germany right now bailing out several lazy ass countries again and again all while pulling you under. With any luck it will get bad enough globally for all of the organizations to lose all authority and influence without it getting so bad as to result in a total collapse. At one time they may have served a purpose, but that purpose was always a mask covering a drive for power and control over the resources of other nations. And as far as protecting other nations from the ravages of Russia and other communist nations, NATO did have an effect on slowing the spread of communism, but that was in its self interest. If there is a total global collapse, the only countries that will come out of it at all will be countries controlled through the absolute authoritarian governments like Russia and China. Police states will take what they want and no figure head letter writing organization will do a damn thing about it.
Returning medals eh? They were probably chaptered out of the Army :)
What does 'chaptered' mean? I didn't serve in the military so I don't know all these terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by airborneranger
Kicked out. I really did not have an opinion ,just thought alot of people here wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by roberth
It basically means that you were kicked-out. It could be for misconduct, being overweight, failing the physical fitness test, etc. The regulation covers each incident in a chapter. We just use the abbreviation "chaptered".Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
Someone beat me to it. I hear he is an expert on the subject :)
Med Board master. But they didn't have the Warrior Trans Unit so there were 9 of us with 300 shit bags:) yes a little bitter:)Bet your happy they got rid of "don't ask,don't tell"ass:)
While I have no doubt there are vets who are against the war, the people shown there look more like the kind who would buy medals from the surplus store with the express purpose of taking them to Chicago to throw away.
So that's your story...........just kidding I know the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
I didn't think of that but now that you mention it, probably so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
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Originally Posted by brokenscout
Thank you gentlemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by airborneranger
yep yep agree with this opinion. the destruction of the euro and interaction between the competent germans and their utterly incompetent neighbors is going to be interesting to watch the next decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
Some people these days... I truly cannot fathom why you would sign a contract (they even ask you: "you are aware that you are not doing this under duress or any coercion, this solely your decision?") with the full knowledge that you have a possibility of going to war (actually a great one by comparison to those who joined in the 1990's), and then be against that. When I signed my contract, just months before the big surge in Iraq, I knew full and well that in my current state of health and MOS that the odds of me deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan was hovering right at 98%- and I counted that 2% as a very slim chance that we would succeed before I finished my training and the wars would be over, or something would have come up or I got placed into a non-deploying unit (in which case I would request to be sent to a deploying unit). I earned every medal I received (and some I didn't receive but did earn, but oh well, whatever, I know what I did, I don't need a ribbon or piece of metal to prove anything) and am proud to have earned at least some recognition for my service.
As far as NATO is concerned, I've been to the NATO HQ in Bagram, I've seen how many European nationals are there by comparison to US, and the number is staggering! For every European officer there are at least 3 US. So my thoughts on NATO, pull your freaking weight, if you say that OEF is a NATO mission, but the US is doing 75% or more of the leg work and operations, then don't call it a NATO mission, call it a US-led operation, because that's truly what it is. I don't hold any ill will towards NATO, I didn't receive any direct orders from an NATO commanders, I took all my orders from a PA born LTC, fell under the rosters of 10th MTN DIV, and wore an ISAF patch on one arm and the US Flag on the other. So if these morons want to go throw their medals away because they're against a war then I say go for it, but why the hell did you sign up in the first place when you should have known you'd go to war? I'd love to meet one of these guys and tell him how stupid he sounds for being anti-war yet still signing up for a job that's sole purpose is waging war... [Bang]
Exactly! They are trying to portray themselves in the same light as the drafted Vietnam vets. As you stated, these dudes VOLUNTEERED. Some of them even volunteered for combat arms. Get over it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Oh don't get me started on young, usually recently separated, soldiers trying to compare themselves to the Vietnam era vets... Makes me almost want to commit assault with a deadly weapon! You kids are nothing like the vets from 'Nam, my god father was forced to go to war, you volunteered... [Shake]Quote:
Originally Posted by airborneranger
The only thing we have in common with the Vietnam vets is we all have to wear the uniform and follow the orders of those above us. Well that and someone is always trying to part young troops from their hard earned money, I think that's been going on since Korea, maybe even before.
Thoughts on NATO? I didn't see any evidence of "thoughts" or "thinking" at that link ... just more libtard emoting.
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Maybe it is time to let them sleep in the bed they've made for themselves. Germany will want something for all the largess they are bestowing on these other countries.
What I find funny, is that they will achieve what the Kaiser and Hitler wanted, without firing a shot.
That brings up another question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
Is there an unseen undercurrent in the German government to take over or control in some way all of Europe?
I don't forsee it as long as Angela is in charge, Although..
i've joked about that happening in recent years, but could seriously happen. i'd rather them take control of europe than all the muslims coming up from the middle eastQuote:
Originally Posted by roberth
That's been going on since the first cavemen took stuff from other cavemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Perhapa Germany is just destined to rule Europe after all.
I hope you guys are joking. Why would Germany want to control that cesspool? It would be like us taking over Mexico. For what? More leaches on the system and crime? No thanks. One thing liberals might have successfully done is made it so there is no desire to dominate the world. Anyone motivated enough to do it wouldn't want the blood suckers.
nah if you take the turd nations of the EU and bring a functioning economy/government people will strive to be rich and lose the high ambition of working as a government employee and retiring at 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
if you stop feeding the animals eventually they will have to provide for themselves or they will get real hungry
Excellent point... "Hey congrats, you rule the world, you have wonderful places like Sydney, and Paris, and London, and NYC... but with that you also have to have crap places like Tijuana, Kabul, the continent of Africa, Detroit and Des Moines!"Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckay2
Shoot, looking at it from that perspective I don't think I'd even want the whole of the US! Too many leeches even for here!