Ok, two sides to the ruling politically:
1- big win for Obozo and raises his re-election chances.
2- big motivator for the Right and undecided who don't care for Obamacare.
Discuss in a civil and polite manner.
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Ok, two sides to the ruling politically:
1- big win for Obozo and raises his re-election chances.
2- big motivator for the Right and undecided who don't care for Obamacare.
Discuss in a civil and polite manner.
I can see one negative for Nobama.
He's raising taxes! The mandate is now a tax.
Romney can't do this because it could bounce back on him but the political scene has lots of pit bulls for hire who will do it.
Steve
What the F.....
We are all F...ed
Pass the ammo, the revolution should start now!
I see this as a silver lining for Romney campaign, so #2Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I just ran outside with my rifle in hand. I was the only one out there, so it must not be "go-time" yet....
Unfortunately, the voters don't get to see the ramifications of Obamacare until after the election. The shit won't hit the fan until 2014; I love the fact that the date is set to start this nightmare after Obama's re-election. I know for myself and my wife that we will lose around 10% of our income to so-called Cadillac Plan taxes because of our health benefits. My parents will be greatly impacted by changes to Medicare. When this reduces the quality of health care and people pay out the a$$ for it, then it will be a campaign issue. The state of the economy will be the deciding factor in November. Ultimately, Obama and the socialists wanted to create the entitlement and they now succeeded in doing so.
One more entitlement program for the sheepel, was the ultimate goal. We are sinking as a country. The masses don't see it as this. The more the Dems can get on the teet, the better their job security.
#2
I think this will motivate the right even more so than they are now. The undecided folks that disagree will now sway to the right and vote against Orighteousone.
We better hope I am right....
Remember, 55%+ of the population does not want obamacare, that should throw a few more % points into the R column from the undecideds.
Short term positive for Bama, people now know that the only way to get rid of this law is at the ballot box. The 49% that strongly oppose this law will vote correctly and the 39% who strongly favor the law will vote for the POTUS. Looks like a possible few point gain on election day to me. Who knows where the undecided will fall.
Yes, but what percentage of that population has insurance and won't have to pay the 1% tax?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChadAmberg
I've read some this morning but I am curious to see if this will affect people of medicaid, medicare, etc etc. how it will effect the businesses, the insurance companies, and the people paying for insurance. I know for fact since the law went into place my health coverage got worse and I paid more. So as far as I'm concerned it is definitely shit.
Am I the only one who thinks its not that bad? It's a fee for people that wait until they're sick to get health insurance. Sounds kind of fair to the insurance companies.
So the gov taxing people to help out private industries is ok? Seriously?
You cannot legislate responsiblity or morality that is the problem with the government getting involved in things that are not their concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I believe the decision will end up being Obama's Waterloo.
Downside is it has cost us the basic fundamentals of liberty so it's going to be a pryic victory this November.
ONLY way I can see this working out with the survival of the Republic (and liberty in general) is if Tea Party conservatives take control of the house and senate, then President Romney becomes 100% self serving and does what the congress tells him to do (seeing the writing on the wall for the "Establishment Republican" way).
Then we'll need to fast track a couple of constitutional amendments making it 100% illegal for the state to force you to buy anything and outlawing the federal government from providing health care services.
Then maybe ... just maybe we'll see liberty survive another generation.
It will never be time to go, this country it too fucking soft as a whole to do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT
Why is it always 5-4 or 4-5 is this suppose to make me feel better?
You seriously think is is perfectly acceptable that I am being taxed for simply existing?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I carried insurance for 1 year, saw 2 doctors for a shoulder injury. Excluding that, I haven't presented a need to seek healthcare in over a decade. So now, I get to put up a chunk of my paycheck to pay to either buy insurance for myself, or pay the fine to fund medical care needed for those laid off by businesses unloading payroll to pay for Obamacare. Fuckin great. Woohoo!
I'm with you! But the sheep will continue until one day they wake up and they can't take a piss without getting permission from the government. Wake up and smell the socialism!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScooterCO
Let's hope Romney can pull a win out this year otherwise I fear that we might get more than just 4 more years under Comrade Barack. [Rant1]
America is over.
the Constitution died today.
fucking sad.
That's not how things work here. You can't just make up rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
[ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT
Well played, sir.
the problem is, we have a large segment of the population that pays no taxes, gets free healthcare now, gets food stamps, money assistance, section 8 houseing.. so, how is taxing everyone going to make these people pay for insurance? they dont pay for anything now. they have little to no income to tax. and this will just give them incentive to work less.
I ran outside with my rife in my hand too. But that was because I was packing for the fire.
[LOL]
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Someone is feeling a little rebelliousQuote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
MedicaidQuote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Leaves no real reasons to try to succeed. Sit at home, collect TANF, food stamps, Medicaid and Obummer will take care of you.
If they don't have it, and can't afford the hospital bills due to lack of income they eventually don't have to pay it... Not entirely sure how it works, probably messes up their credit from all the unpaid bills, but a hospital can't refuse to treat you just because you can't afford to pay for the treatment. [Mad]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
medicaid, chp, etc. lots of people get free healthcare based on their low income.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Read This (covering adults without children):Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
http://www.ncbr.com/article/20120628/NEWS/120629936
I am extremely familiar with Colorado Medicaid...the budget buster! Although, I am most concerned by both my family benefit packages being taxed.
That won't stop both sides of the political aisle from doing just that, for eternity.Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleDave
This brings to mind, what happens when the gooberment decides that my VA coverage for being in the 50%+ club isn't adequate healthcare and starts taxing me? My job doesn't offer healthcare coverage and I hardly ever go to the doctor as it is... WTF? It seems stupid to force people to buy something they won't need.
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
It's far more than that. You can now be taxed/penalized for not doing/buying something. If congress decides everyone needs to drive a hybrid, but I don't want one, they can tax me for not buying one. I hate the taste of liver but congress decides everyone should eat it - they can tax me for choosing not to eat liver. This has given congress unlimited power. There is nothing they cannot do via coercive taxation that forces people to participate in an existing market, or creates a new market, they then regulate via the commerce clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
I can see this happening - In the future congress decides in order to curb unsustainable population growth, mass birth control is necessary. Women who choose not to take one of several approved chemical birth control methods provided by government sanctioned corporate suppliers are subject to a 'shared excess population burden' penalty. This penalty will still apply to women who don't plan to have any children or would rather use natural birth control methods allowed by their own conscience/religious teachings. I know there are plenty of you who have religious objections to artificial birth control and family planning. Welcome to the new Amerika.
There is something very wrong happening in this country and John Roberts is no friend to liberty. The ideas of limited government and personal freedom died today.
exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
for 25 years i've been stupid
working hard, playing by the rules, paying ridiculous amount of taxes
no more
i'm done
bring me my free shit
I'm done "contributing"
you wanted it, you got it, I no longer will be pulling the wagon, I'll be sitting my fat ass inside of it. Pull faster you donkeys.
I agree with what you said. The feds did it to bring states inline and now they are going to do it with individuals. [Bang][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][AR15][AR15][AR15]Quote:
Originally Posted by mutt
This is absolutely an assault on liberty! Roberts really betrayed us![Rant1]
Forget gun control. By the time they get done with us, no one is going to have enough money to buy/shoot guns.
I think everyone's being a little over dramatic.
The bill removed a whole bunch of ways that insurance companies can fuck you over. Like not insuring you due to pre-existing conditions, instituting lifetime caps, dropping you for no reason, etc. In my opinion, there's a lot of good there.
In return, if you do not purchase insurance, you have to pay a tax to the IRS. Which in 2014 will be $95 per adult. This is because there will be people who will want to wait to get insurance until they are sick, because the insurance companies will have to give it to them regardless. That is unless health insurance will cost someone more than 8% of their income, and then this fee is not applied.
This is not end of the world type stuff, people.
I think the cost goes up to something like $690/person/year in 2016. Which is still cheaper than any private insurance plan.
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I see your point, but the insurance is not the point. It is the fact that the feds are requiring you to pay for a service that you can't avoid. It makes sense when they make you buy auto insurance, you drive. If they make you buy health insurance there is no opt out. You can avoid driving you can't avoid this. This is a tax you can't avoid. Every other tax in this nation can somehow be avoided. Don't purchase a product, don't have an income, or don't use a service. Being alive under this constitutes a tax. That is a dangerous road, as all voluntary action has ended. At least the states can opt out but at what other cost? Transportation funds, FEMA response, or federal law enforcement? This is the gross bastardization of the commerce clause. It was created to prevent states from putting duties and tariffs on each other not federal power over all goods and services.
So, force me to buy something from the private sector, or tax my existence?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
As far as I am aware, in this state, if you don't pay your medical bills, they sue you and garnish your paycheck anyway.
You don't have cable, therefore you are more likely to steal it. You will now either obtain cable or send the government money to pay for the people who steal cable.
Good riddance. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/gu...ot-suicide.gif