I would like to know what forum members think today. Your opinion on best, toughest, "go to zombieland where there is no gunsmith" semi-auto 9mm, if you can have only one, with lots of mags and ammo.
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I would like to know what forum members think today. Your opinion on best, toughest, "go to zombieland where there is no gunsmith" semi-auto 9mm, if you can have only one, with lots of mags and ammo.
Glock
I'm an M&P guy through and through. But given your scenario, I agree, I'd go for one of my glocks.
One has 45-50k rounds through it, all original parts. Still never a single failure. And I do clean it, but maybe 1/10 the frequency recommended.
Y'all cray cray yo my high point is the shit
glock
Glock. Duh.
I am currenyly packin a Sig ........ but yea Glock
Pretty straight forward; Glock.
Gotta go M&P.
still miss my P30 though.
Glock a holic!
P226
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While I did just realize this is a polymer pistol forum, I stand by the Sig P226 for "best 9mm" if not limited to polymer framed pistols.
History? 1982 (Glock) v.s. 1853 (Sig). Let's get real.
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I was "taught" at the S&W M&P Armorers course that the M&P was designed and built specifically to beat the Glock and was built to be superior in all respects. Why is it so unlikely that the M&P can beat the Glock in an all-around durability test?
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Originally Posted by sneakerd
That's why...taught by S&W. THe M&P is a good gun, but doesn't have near the track record of a Glock. Give the M&P 10 more years and a few deployments and then compare.
(I know, fellow 1911 enthusiasts will start to chime in here and a 1911's reputation cannot be discounted. However, the 1911 is a finicky girl and does need cleaning & maintenance much sooner than a Glock. Not to mention the greater worldwide availability of 9mm and the capacity/interchangability of Glock mags.)
Iirc there have been some torture tests done with the M&P and it held up just like Glock. I think either would work.
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personally Glock...but the M&P and i didnt get along, not sure why but i might have to give it another shot one of these days but until then ill stick with my glock
Early Gen 3 Glock 17 or 19.
Glock is the one to plan for and stake your life on. If something else survives and serves, fine - but no gun in history has the history of the glock.
For your 40 needs, consider a Ruger or M&P, but you won't find much ammo for those, so don't sweat it too much.
Anyone consider running a torture test between glock and m&p MAGAZINES?
I put my money on glock in that category, and that alone has been enough to keep my urges toward buying an m&p at bay.
I drop my glock mags on rocks, mud, cement, step on them etc etc and never broken one.
havent tested m&p, but it is a metal mag like the XD has... I destroyed a few of those under same abuse and they stopped dropping free after some scuffing from gravel.
GLOCK
For handguns, I prefer metal-bodied mags to plastic and metal mags. Thinner and stronger.
As much as it pains me to say it, Glock 19 is probably the best all-around polymer 9mm. I really wanted to hate it, but then I shot one, and did surprisingly well.
I love my M&P and have never shot a GLOCK but I'd still probably go with a GLOCK on reputation alone.
They must not have had trigger reset as one of the "respects".Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
By the way this is not limited to polymer pistol- I'm talking ANY pistol/handgun.
Yep...still the same. As Mick pointed out earlier, a gen 3 G17 or G19 (preferably) is ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
I had one Glock "smithed" about 20 years ago, before there were aftermarket triggers and parts galore. Then I figured out how to do it myself. If the scenario is one you are expecting, then pick one and learn how to smith it yourself. The "lots of mags" makes the argument for or against metal/ploymner mags irrelevant. But, the metal mags are easier to maintain and tune, plus they could be repaired whereas repair of polymer mags is more difficult.
Ran Glocks for 20 years, M&P for 1.5 now. Being inside both and shooting about 150K through Glocks and 15k through M&Ps, I'd have to give the nod to the M&P.
G19 no doubt in my mind. Only reason I say that is because I'm yet to pick up a 17L.
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To reiterate my earlier vote for Glock...
I had a model 19 years ago that I kept a documented round count on for the first few years I had it. After 10K rounds I stopped counting. I estimate I had a legitimate 15K rounds through it with zero malfunctions or repairs. Never even replaced the recoil spring.
I no longer own that handgun but I do own a model 17 that has been nothing but reliable for 500 rounds.
I've owned Ruger, S&W, CZ, Sig, Springfield, and several other 9mm handguns over the last 20 years or so. If I had to pick just one I would pick a Glock without a second thought.
Glocks have their place, good reliable, etc. But as I personally don't like the feel I'll put in a vote for the CZ SPO1 Phantom...
I'll play along. I have a G19 and wouldn't part with it, ever. I also have a CZ P-01 that I love. If I had to pick only one it would be a difficult choice but it would be the P-01.
In before the G-Lock [ROFL1]
Why NOT xd, Fnh, beretta, etc... Besides the longevity of the Glock what makes them superior in your opinion.
Wouldn't it be safe to say that pretty much all polymer pistols are made pretty equal these days?
XD- not reliable in all conditions FN-can't get replacement parts & too scarce Beretta- Really? Too many issues to name here Glocks have proven themselves for years, are widely available, simple to use/fix/replace, and are inexpensive. Saying all polymer guns are equal is as retarded as saying all metal guns are equal these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by stenz
For all around awsomeness I would say Glock 19. But HK, XD, Walther, FN, Smith are all perfectly good options depending on your philosophy of use.
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Originally Posted by coloccw
I've seen torture tests on Glocks, XDs, and M&P's I'd say all are solid guns. I personally love that Springfield Armory has a fully supported Chambers which makes me think they might be stronger, but I have heard that glocks are amazing too. It's a toss up?
I have shot all three and would say between the Glocks, M&Ps and XDs it comes down to what fits your hand better and personal preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by osok-308
I have never had any of my springfield models, and I've owned compacts, service models, tacticals, and XDMs in assorted calibers. I've shot a variety of ammunition in all of them. And I've never had a single stovepipe, failure to extract/ eject, fire, or feed. What unconventional shooting position has ever caused a malf? I'd personally like to know so I can shoot from that position myself.Quote:
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XD- not reliable in all condition True, I had multiple malfunctions in POST academy with my XD-45 until I stopped limp wristing it, even after that if you are shooting from an unconventional shooting position you could induce a malfunction. FN-can't get replacement parts & too scarce Yeah, mags? you want those....too bad Beretta- Really? Too many issues to name here Ha, I would never buy a plastic Beretta, their 92 series is good but their new stuff is not up to par. Glocks have proven themselves for years, are widely available, simple to use/fix/replace, and are inexpensive. Saying all polymer guns are equal is as retarded as saying all metal guns are equal these days.
Here are a couple links to some torture tests in case you wanted to read up on them.
http://theprepared.com/content/view/90//administrator/
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/pi...ture-test.html
I would also have to agree with that.Quote:
I have shot all three and would say between the Glocks, M&Ps and XDs it comes down to what fits your hand better and personal preference.
The title of the thread isn't "What do you feel is best for you." What does personal preference have to do with survival? I don't like Glocks, but they work every time. If I had my preference, I would have a rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisC
Stupid newbie question..... What's a Glock?
Thousands and thousands of rounds on my glocks in classes, ran fine with mags full of water, mud, dirt and sand. I trust them 100%.
M&P is a nice gun, but I can't stand that hinged trigger. Drives me crazy.
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Originally Posted by osok-308
Mainly shooting around barricades, off hand, one hand pretty much anything that reduces wrist strength. I was just my data point, and me as a person, YMMV. If you never had issues then that is awesome, keep it up.
That's a wrist tension issue, not a firearm or barricade one. Easy fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by strm_trpr