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This is such a refreshing debate after arguing the 2nd Amendment with people who obviously won’t listen to reason. Not that I think the vegans will but at least they’re not passing laws to outlaw meat……. yet….
This pretty much sums up my argument.... along with pointing out that they'd be pretty low on the survival of the fittest scale without modern farming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSLQu-d6ZQ
Have you heard of "No Meat Mondays"? F&*%ing Kalifonia.
Isn't that being intolerant of gays?Quote:
Originally Posted by motohooligan
Maybe I should look at it before commenting. :)
^^^^ I see what you did there. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by th3w01f
And I don't care if people want to be vegans but it's pretty messed up to post animal slaughter pictures on FB and try to use that to justify their stance. It's kind of Michael Moorish to me.
One of them actually said this word for word.
And a different oneQuote:
Do you think slavery was ever the right thing? How about murder and rape? I think anything that takes away another beings right to live a productive, healthy life is wrong. I draw the line on vegetables
Jeeze, if I walked around all day feeling like everyone eating a hamburger was doing something akin to raping someone I'd probably be against guns too..... other than the one I have of course.Quote:
The only law of nature most people really adhere to is the one that lets them feed their greedy guts in any way they see fit. The other laws of nature? We call them stealing; murder; rape; and so on.
Tis a sad world we live in. To quote a better man than I, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety."
Well said. We came across this person because she is an old acquaintance from HS that found me via FB. I get so frustrated by those that lack true common sense. Although there are those out there (probably the same people) that believe that the new anti A2 laws are common sense. Where did society go wrong? I've always believed that I was born in the wrong era....
You can't argue with a Vegan, they have a defective thought process.
Anybody that doesn't eat meat has a defective thought process.
i was a vegetarian for about 8 years(hell i just started eating meat again last year) it was allright the main sucky thing is eating out it really cuts like 90% of your options at any given place
The problem with Vegans isn't that it's a diet, it's that it's a religion. You can't argue with people in a religion and they all have to try and convert you.
BTW, the following is from http://www.fathead-movie.com/
If you saw Super Size Me, you know Morgan Spurlock’s girlfriend at the time (later wife, later ex-wife) fed him a “purifying” vegan diet after his all-McDonald’s diet. (And it took him six months to lose 20 pounds on that diet.) She was known as a vegan chef for many years.
Now she’s had her own Lierre Keith moment and declared that she’s no longer a vegan. From her blog:
I thought many of the world’s problems could be solved if more people ate this way. We could end hunger if we fed grain to people instead of cattle. We could end global warming if we reduced the fertilizer, trucking and refrigeration required to produce meat. We could end the obesity epidemic.
What I ate aligned with what I believed. And that was that. But then, a few years ago, something began to shift.
My body started craving the “bad” stuff. Namely, meat.
It used to be that, when a friend ordered a burger out at dinner, I was slightly (though quietly) disgusted. But I started noticing a different reaction.
Instead of disgust, I started to salivate.
The impulse to order salmon instead of salad with tofu at my favorite restaurant was overwhelming. And, for me as a vegan, it was confusing, too.
At first, I thought: “I must be mineral deficient. Or maybe I need more concentrated protein. I’ll eat more sea vegetables. I’ll just add more nuts and hemp seeds and drink more green juice. Then the cravings will stop.”
I denied these cravings and tried to “talk my body out of them”.
It’s this part of her post that was bound to rile up the vegan zealots:
I began to see my cravings for animal foods from a different angle. It wasn’t immoral or wrong. It just was.
In fact, I came to believe that trusting your body, living your truth, whether it be vegan, part-time vegan, flexitarian or carnivore is all inherently good.
The reaction from the vegan zealots was predictable: she wasn’t it doing it right, ya see. (Really? A vegan advocate, chef and author wasn’t doing it right?)
Or my favorite: she was never really a vegan, ya see.
One of the books Jamieson wrote was Vegan Cooking For Dummies. Given the reaction to her announcement, I’d say that title was more appropriate than she imagined at the time.
Its more like a cult. And just like other forms of liberalism, you must accept them for what they are, and everone else is evil and should be banned, arrested, deported, or hanged. Meanwhile, we just look at them and say, if you wanna be a vegan freak, more power to you. More meat for me baby.
Vegans and vegetarians are not the same.
I don't eat meat. I try to minimize dairy and eggs, but I definitely eat some.Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I don't judge people who do - my wife does occasionally.
My thought process was based on this: http://www.aicr.org/reduce-your-cancer-risk/diet/ -much of the research is based on "china study."
I'm a pretty recent cancer survivor, and meat/dairy/eggs increases your risk of various cancer types once past ~5% of calories. (So, I'm hoping dairy and eggs keeps me around that range, but I'm not hyper about counting it).
I do understand the difference between RRR and ARR - but I don't think my absolute risk is as low as the general population after all the chemo and radiation - hence my thought process. :)
I wouldn't have chose this lifestyle, wouldn't try to "convert" anyone to it......but it has been much, much easier than I ever thought possible too.
How do you argue with a vegan...over a nice rare porterhouse.
Who do you think vegans associate with? It's the same person who wants guns taken away.Quote:
Originally Posted by th3w01f
Not every vegan is a liberal, but the overwhelming majority are. Just like the religion of banning guns, vegan-ism is a religion for them. The difference is, if you're conservative and a vegan you have rules about what you'll eat. If you're a liberal vegan you want everyone to do what you do because they're wrong. It's not different than the typical anti-gun liberal.
I prefer the "brick to the head" argument from the video. It's quicker and they won't talk afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraven251
If God didn't want you to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
^^^^^THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^ Drop me on the western edge of the Great Plains somewhere near Sheridan, WY, in the early 1800s with a pack, my Marlin .45-70 and my old cow dog and let me fade off into the annals of history....Quote:
Originally Posted by Katastrophic
Seriously, not all Vegans are nuts. Admittedly, many are, but don't paint them all with the same brush. I'm no Vegan, but I do follow a vegan diet for breakfast and lunch most days. There are some excellent reasons to consider the diet (not the lifestyle), and I've found I feel much better eating that way.
My parents are almost vegans (they eat eggs) and are as conservative as anyone here.
Now, the Vegan "religion" that has sprung up pretty much makes me want to puke.
I was raised vegan and have yet to experience a glass of milk or eat an egg (I'm now 46). I don't care if the person next to me eats a 100% meat diet three meals a day and clubs it to death with a bat in public, that's their choice. I didn't choose my diet, it was engrained since birth so it's about as far from being a "religion" for me as you can get, it's merely how I eat.
Rather than being all twitchy and worried about vegans, as the majority of responses here denote, live happily and confidently in your dietary superiority and don't worry about what vegans think.
My argument for vegetarians is this "My food poops on your food"
That is all.
Thousands of innocent vegatables a killed everyday.
So vegans can EAT them.
What a tradgedy.
I hope you never get to see how a meat packing plant works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
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Originally Posted by davsel
This one admittedly still makes me laugh.
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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...rians_food.jpg
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
Fingers in ears, la la la la la. Seen it. Still love me some meat.
Salad: It's what food eats!
Yes indeed... Same with Vegetarians... my buddy still has a bumper sticker on his truck that says "Vegetarian, Navajo for 'lousy hunter'" [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
No, but they're extremely similar... see below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Portsider86
I like that one, or I usually use this "You know what I eat, eats the same thing you eat... Think about that one." :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
I've been fortunate enough to have friends that were not rabid vegetarians or vegans, but simply preferred to not eat meat.
I have had an acquaintance or two that seemed derisively vegetarian; it makes for an uncomfortable meal when the smug attitude of superiority hovers over their plate like some bodhisattva.
I think the thing that swings me from "Sure, we just like to eat different things," to "Seriously? You are under the impression that I'm going to apologize for eating meat?" is the implication that the rabid vegetarians carry with them of the, "I'm right and you are wrong, and I demand to hear you say so."
Generally, it's the recent converts that are rabid. Does not matter if it's religion/diet/Etc. I think you'll find that the life-long vegetarians don't give a rat's ass what you choose to eat, even if it's the rat's ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
I know vegans who try to lecture me, but don't say I'm wrong... But I agree, I fucking despise those militant vegetarians/vegans that try to tell you how you are wrong for your dietary choice. There is nothing political about refusing to eat meat, it is simply what YOU choose to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
The part that pissed me off last night (on top of the rapist comment) was one of them adding a video of a guy putting down a horse by shooting it in the head. I don't know the details behind the video because I didn't watch it but I don't know what the hell that had to do with being vegan unless they think we're partial to horses that we've killed ourselves.
^This. I've been vegan for six-ish years now. Don't give a crap if others eat meat around me; it's MY choice, not theirs. After learning a little bit too much in Microbiology and Animal Sci classes, I'm just a bit too much of a germ freak. Plus, according to my doc I'm well on my way to breaking the long family history of heart disease. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
Asshole vegans give regular vegans a bad name, just like idiot gun owners make all gun owners look like a bunch of yahoos.
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Very true. Although I would hope that if the day came that I chose to eat rat's ass, my friends (vegetarian or not) might want to find out why....Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
Yeah, and gays and lesbians aren't the same either. I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Portsider86
Ultimately, they are the same; it's just a zeal towards a superioristic ideological point of view that separates them. That and the whole "I won't eat THIS animal product, but eating THIS type is okay" thing (I mean, really?).
Been there/done that and went out for steak afterwards. Until something higher up the food-chain comes along and wants to eat me, I'll enjoy eating meat and thrive on it's goodness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
As someone already said (I'm modifying slightly): If man wasn't supposed to eat animals, they wouldn't have been made of tastey meat!
I'd rather drop the vegans, gun-controllers and other liberanazis off in 1850-ish Comanche or Apache territory ...Quote:
Originally Posted by jgang
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What BBQ sauce goes with Vegan?
Definition of Vegan per Native American friends:
Bad Hunter.
Isn't arguing with vegans in the same category as trying to teach pigs to sing? As in, stop wasting your fucking time?