You have to be shitting me? Please tell me I'm missing something here.
http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/03/state-...mQrbBtuVSzE.99
(And if this is a repost it'll be fitting cause I had the worse effen day at work in a very long time)
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You have to be shitting me? Please tell me I'm missing something here.
http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/03/state-...mQrbBtuVSzE.99
(And if this is a repost it'll be fitting cause I had the worse effen day at work in a very long time)
F#@kers...Why do we have to go to WND to learn about this one?
it is, at least 3 times today already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
BUT, you were the only one with an appropriate title.
yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Wow. The writing is on the wall for CO.
"Domestic terrorist" will be the new catch phrase of the MSM going forward.
WTF is happening here?
We are getting ready to enter the wayback machine and go trick or treating in France circa 1789
Its scary in that it is flying well below the radar screen, and the excuses for the bill. Using it for detaining people for 72hrs due to mental health reasons? Remember, Morse was quoted as saying gun ownership is a mental illness, wasnt he?
I'm not sure who here is familiar with Larimer county Sheriff Justin Smith, but he's one of the good guys. He's been extremely vocal and politically active during these last few months and posts regularly on facebook. His comments line up 100% with the consensus we have on this forum. Here is his response to this concern:
"Several citizens have contacted me expressing concerns about an article they read reporting Colorado granting state law enforcement authority to the Secret Service.
I am aware of this and the stories that you've likely read put this in a light that isn't truly accurate. Let me give you some background.
Several years back, local law enforcement recognized that the way our peace officer statutes were written, federal law enforcement officers working in our state had no authority or legal protections to intervene when they witnessed a citizen being victimized right in front of them. Their statutory authority only allowed them to intervene if a federal law was being violated. Very few daily crimes are federal violations. (Envision an Aurora Theater Shooting incident where an armed federal officer had no statutory authority to intervene as a peace officer).
Our state Police Officers Standards and Training (POST) Board, made up of Colorado Chiefs and Sheriffs, agreed to consider requests by individual federal law enforcement agencies to grant limited powers to their officers, in the interest of immediate protection of Colorado citizens.
The changes essentially allow those officers to intervene when they witness a crime in progress and require they turn the case over the to the local authority. They also are granted the authority to assist a local officer in need. Lastly, the statute specifically prohibits the covered federal agencies from initiating any independent investigations of state law.
If you would like to read the specific wording of the current statute, it is CRS 16-2.5-147. This year's amendment simply adds agents of the Secret Service to the list of officers that we recognize under Colorado statute."
source: https://www.facebook.com/SheriffJust...ref=ts&fref=ts
Since we (Colorado) are the poster child for gun control why not become the poster child for the federal police state too. California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey - here we come.
Hmm I remember another SS having simmilar powers.......
I tend to agree..............Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
We have enough local county, city and state law enforcement. Giving more power to federal agents is asking for more overstepping. The worse part is secret service was listed as the subject matter. Outside of protecting Federal elected elite, and watching over the mint what do they need to be doing that the other law enforment is already doing.
Too many power plays. Federal goverment is already a 1 trillion dollar fat chick sucking the life blood from its citizens and in need of a serious lipo suction and low calorie diet. Stop feeding it more twinkies.
The Secret Service has an office in the DTC. Many Agents work out of there. They've had a Denver office for at least 20 years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Seems like more of "death by 1000 cuts". Of course, it sounds "reasonable" to give them this new power. Of course, it'll "be necessary [they'll manufacture something to prove their point]". Liberty is rarely just taken away, it's given away by the sheeple in return for a false sense of security. I don't like it...
Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by sellersm
Colorado is the testing/proving ground for the Marxists in getting their agenda spread throughout the nation. California was conquered years ago and Boulder then became the next stop. Boulder seeped into Denver and now the Liberal Marxists have found a firm grip on the entire state.Quote:
Originally Posted by d_striker
Bloomberg is funneling millions into the Democrat coffers and Marxist-Muslim Obama will be here Wednesday for a "greet & gloat" with the Denver Marxists.
Nope. Just clarifying your statement of the "off chance they are in Colorado". They have a large presence here and have had for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
There are Mint police, Secret Service Agents, ICE Agents, DEA Agents, ATF Agents, HUD Agents, DOE Agents, IRS Agents, Federal Park Rangers and a number of other law enforcement associated with the IG units of all the federal agencies. You would be surprised at how many different types of federal law enforcement that are here in the Denver area.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Like you said earlier- anywhere a USSS protected individual would go (aside from the multitude of smaller, temporarily protected individuals, mostly dignitaries) be it the POTUS, VP, or SotH, there will be ample local LE presence and really the only crime secret service would happen to be there for would be an attempt on the life of a protected individual (P, VP, Speaker- all attempts are in violation of Federal law). No need whatsoever for more powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
[blah-blah] Of all the things to get upset about, this is right down there on the bottom of the list. The way jurisdiction works for arrest authority is enough to require a multiple page thread to explain for the various Fed agencies. Hell, for military Feds it's so confusing I've had to call two different attorneys before detaining someone before. Its a complete mess, and most Feds just call the local LE and stay out of it.
Bet most of you complaining about this would be seeing red and wanting to crap fire if some USSS agent stood by and watched your wife get assaulted, beat, mugged... because they didn't have any arrest authority. It's happened, and it's happened here in CO before. May have not been Secret Service specifically, but I've seen it happen with military feds a lot. No arrest authority, Posse Comititus (sp)... Just safer for the agent to stand by and watch short of life or limb threat.
Man, there is a lot of "don't know what the fuck I'm talking about in this thread."
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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Yeah, that is true. The article was specifically about the Secret Service. There is another bill running through the legislature right now to give the DoD cops at Fort Carson state police powers as well. In the statute, other federal Agents have been given state police powers already. It really is a non-issue, but I would be hard pressed to convince you of that.
I would wholeheartedly agree there is too many federal employees and too many federal law enforcement under each of the IG offices of EVERY federal agency. They need to consolidate and shrink or require the FBI to take over their investigative duties without an increase in manpower and do away with the IG offices. I agree completely. Is it going to happen? No.
This shit happens and it happens regularly. I drove by a fucking bank robbery in progress once. I didn't do shit! I let hit happen. I had no jurisdiction to stop it, detain, arrest, or intervene. So, don't you dare tell me "if" from your theoretical castle of "don't have a fucking clue". You have never been a cop much less a Fed. Your theory is flawed and you are being told so by two different LE and you are disregarding the educated insight. Wow, next thing you know you will support non-gun-owning deomocrats writing gun laws. Theoretical knowledge is enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Actually, you are wrong, I guess you know everything about being a Fed right? The secret Service are federal law enforcement. http://www.secretservice.gov/whoweare.shtml Any cop with actual time coordinating with multiple Fed LE agencies would know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
I'm always civil. I just try to interject accurate information into discussions. I'm never going to convince anyone on this forum to change their perspective or beliefs.
I've been reading the boards for a couple weeks now. You could have stopped after "about"...Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
I guess I'm still old fashioned enough to think Law Enforcement are the good guys. I may not agree with the laws, and there are ways to change them. I might not agree with the methods, there are ways to change that as well. I've been all the way around the world, and my impression is most people just have No. Freaking. Clue. how good we have it with our police forces; Federal, State, and Local.
They said the same thing in Germany in the 1930s. Just because its the feds, that does not make it right, or good. Germany did not go socialist/nazi overnight. It happened in steps.
This is F-ing ridiculous!!! So frustrating on SO many levels. [Bang]
From Sheriff Maketa:
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I've been asked by numerous people of my position concerning SB13-013. This is a bill proposed by the Colorado Senate to recognize members of the Secret Service as Peace Officers under Colorado law. This law has very little if any impact on the Office of Sheriff. I think there are circumstances where it may be advantageous to those agents and local law enforcement. This law extends peace officer status in a very limited capacity. The bill itself clearly sets those limitations. Some have expressed concern this could be the Federal Governments' attempt to prosecute local law enforcement who refuse to honor presidential directives and I do not believe that to be the case. Based on the language in the bill, past decisions of The US Supreme Court and Colorado Law, I just do not see this bill, if passed, granting any additional special powers or even powers that equal local law enforcement peace officers to secret service members. I have not endorsed this bill nor do I intend to endorse it because I have not been presented the specific needs to make this change, but it is not completely out of the realm of possibility to see this legislation brought before our state legislature. I hope this answers those questions and/or concerns.
Lets stay focused and vigilant against those laws that offer false promises of safety at the expense of our rights as law abiding citizens.
Can we take off the tinfoil hats now?
" I have not endorsed this bill nor do I intend to endorse it because I have not been presented the specific needs to make this change..."
Clearly Sheriff Maketa does not understand why this is even being proposed, and that seems to me to be the key here. The answer to that question may either comfort or alarm people. However, until that question is answered, I personally can't blame regular citizens from being concerned about this bill. I don't really consider that tinfoiley at all given what we have seen so far from this administration and justice dept.
Exactly. That's what Larimer county Sheriff Justin Smith basically said too.Quote:
Originally Posted by wreave
I think one of the problems is when people who are experienced and educated on these issues post their comments they get flamed if that answer doesn't coincide with the topics political climate. Speaking for myself I am a 22 yr. LE veteran and retired as Chief of Police. Through the years I've had to work with the Fed.s on numerous occasions and the majority have very little knowledge, or desire, on the enforcement of State and local laws. My considered opinion is this is unnecessary legislation. There are not enough circumstances to warrant legislation like this. I think that is why many folks here are skeptical as to the reasons for it. Add to that the timing of it and the fact that we just had unnecessary restrictions put on honest citizens, ie; mag. Capacity bans, background checks etc... And one can see why conspiracy theories abound.
It's reassuring to read that response from Maketa....Tinfoil hat off.
Tinfoil aside, I don't think that it is completely irrational to initially respond to ANY legislation with scrutiny as we have been/are being inundated with stupid legislation at both the state and national level.
I have not read through this entire thread, but at this point I'm still concerned about the ramifications of the 72 hour mental health hold.
if this is a repost, whack it like my nuttz, if not...i'm scared shitless!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...in-that-state/
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...8.42.22-AM.png
Guess what, obama comes to town, and he can start busting all of us for having modified magazines...MOFO CHICKENLOOPER!
BEGIN THE NUT WHACKING!!!!!!.....repost.
Day late and $0.50 short.
http://www.ar-15.co/threads/96925-SB...EO-in-Colorado
WHACK IT...my nuttz already got it today...valium finally wore off
tinfoil hat is still on, still live in colorado...
Anyone on FB needs to go one to his page like and post on his page!! Great info there and a great American on our side !!
Chickenloper has his nose so far up Barry's ass that everytime Barry farts Chickenloper's ears pop
meanwhile, bloomberg is paying the 2$ whores to keep the bs gun legislation coming....Quote:
Originally Posted by R&S