Serious Question

[HBARleatherneck]

If an OEM does not make the mags, how can one get the gun to start with?

they are doing it all over california just google the question. i found the answer on several forums in just a few seconds. calguns, xdtalk and others.

[mutt]

they are doing it all over california just google the question. i found the answer on several forums in just a few seconds. calguns, xdtalk and others.

Great. Now we can look to CA for gun advice. That makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside...

[brobar]

If an OEM does not make the mags, how can one get the gun to start with?

It will be extremely difficult. I travel to CA often and I take my XDM 5.25 out with me. The GUN is completely legal to own there... but the 19 round magazines are not. So I had a few of my 19 round magazines permanently converted to 10-rounders and I take those. My buddies and coworkers all clamor to shoot my 5.25 when we go to the range because they can't get their hands on them there. They are sold to law enforcement (since they can have 19 rounds) but they aren't available to the general public.

That is the part that sucks about this bill once it passes. If the ten 19-round magazines I have for my two 5.25's are lost, stolen, break or just eventually wear out... it will render those firearms useless since I can't purchase more and nobody manufacturers 15-rounders for it. My only hope will be some state who can have the 19-rounders, permanently convert them to 15 rounders for me and then ship them to me.

[Kraven251]

Also...realize any magazine that can be readily/easily converted to hold more.

Most if not all magazines have kits you can buy to add another 2-5 rounds, or the modification is consider "easy" within the scope of the verbage. It isn't a 15 rnd mag ban, it is a mag ban period. No magazines could be sold in the state unless they were permanently modified to not allow extensions or any other such devices.

This would mean magazines would pretty much be modified in such a way you could not repair them. While there are 10 round glock and sig mags that I am aware of, all of those can be modified to hold additional rounds, even if the count is under 15, the verbage makes them illegal.

Thus it is broad sweeping and unenforceable.

[d_striker]

Also...realize any magazine that can be readily/easily converted to hold more.

Most if not all magazines have kits you can buy to add another 2-5 rounds, or the modification is consider "easy" within the scope of the verbage. It isn't a 15 rnd mag ban, it is a mag ban period. No magazines could be sold in the state unless they were permanently modified to not allow extensions or any other such devices.

This would mean magazines would pretty much be modified in such a way you could not repair them. While there are 10 round glock and sig mags that I am aware of, all of those can be modified to hold additional rounds, even if the count is under 15, the verbage makes them illegal.

Thus it is broad sweeping and unenforceable.

That's the way I interpret the bill as well....I guess we'll see how it shakes out.

[tmleadr03]

Glad I have 10 17 round mags already for my M&P. Now I need another 17 mags for my AR to compliment the 13 I already have.

I like even numbers.

[KestrelBike]

Glad I have 10 17 round mags already for my M&P. Now I need another 17 mags for my AR to compliment the 13 I already have.

I like even numbers.

Hah ah shit. Here i was thinking "I'm ok, I've got plenty of mags!" Not realizing that if I decide to get another pistol, I'm back at square 1 come July 1st or earlier.

[Fromk]

The GUN is completely legal to own there... but the 19 round magazines are not. So I had a few of my 19 round magazines permanently converted to 10-rounders and I take those. My buddies and coworkers all clamor to shoot my 5.25 when we go to the range because they can't get their hands on them there. They are sold to law enforcement (since they can have 19 rounds) but they aren't available to the general public.

That's not exactly correct. The reason they want to shoot it is because the XDM is not on the roster of approved handguns in Cali. The mags have nothing to do with it.

Recently someone at work asked me if the recent proposals reminded me of living in California. He didn't understand at first when I said Colorado still has a long way to go. Be thankful we don't have a VERY specific list of handguns we can buy and a specific list of long guns we can't.

[brobar]

That's not exactly correct. The reason they want to shoot it is because the XDM is not on the roster of approved handguns in Cali. The mags have nothing to do with it.

Recently someone at work asked me if the recent proposals reminded me of living in California. He didn't understand at first when I said Colorado still has a long way to go. Be thankful we don't have a VERY specific list of handguns we can buy and a specific list of long guns we can't.

Is one of the reasons it isn't on the roster because it doesn't have 10-round magazines and SA refuses to make a 10-round magazine for it? My XD9 subcompact is on the list (they make a 10-round CA compliant magazine for it).

In other words... is there a way to make the approved list without compliant magazines? There is no way to sell that firearm in a local Cabellas, Bass Pro, Sportsman's Warehouse, etc... to the general public without 10-round magazines which SA still doesn't make for the XDM... so the list seems like a moot point. My friends back in CA won't be able to purchase the firearm in a gun store without a CA compliant magazine (unless gun stores are able to part the firearms with magazines before selling but I doubt manufacturers would allow them to do that).

[HBARleatherneck]

if you read some of the links I posted, you will see how it works. companies out of state are doing the modification and shipping the pistols that way. they are doing a single shot conversion. they call it SSE (single shot exemption) here is the link http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...+shot+exemtion . it costs $100 something bucks and after inspection you could hypothetically change it back, using the converted magazines.
http://www.ebrwebstore.com/EBR_Works_Exclusives.html/
table rock arms i guess does them too. IT IS BEING DONE IN CALIFORNIA.

if they have passed the registration in the single shot mode then they are good even though they arent on the list.