shoplifting.

[th3w01f]

No use it as a lesson. If it appears to his daughter they are taking her side, she will never learn and "might" be the worse thing they could do.

I will never take the .gov side against my kids. Lots of people here, talk about how they will stand up against tyranny and fight till the end. The one and only thing I fight for is my family and that is till the bitter end. They’re the only reason I’m alive today.

[Great-Kazoo]

I will never take the .gov side against my kids. Lots of people talk here about how they will stand up against tyranny and fight till the end. The one and only thing I fight for is my family and that is till the bitter end. They’re the only reason I’m alive today.

Not the .gov side.
Supporting her while at the same time, understand her choice today can and will reflect on every thing she does down the road. I've been there, done that.
Now you get a speeding ticket and 15yrs down the road it cost you a security clearance.

[Katastrophic]

As a kid, my parents (divorced, but all the same) NEVER stood up for me. I was a good kid, thankfully. But I knew that if I got into deep shit NO ONE was there. I still have the same feelings about them. I've actually been considering an Official Rant due to recent events because I feel they are so ridiculous. To this very day I know my parents aren't there for me or my children. In the long run you need to be there. Discipline is far from punishment. Charge her for the lawyer. Make her do the yard work for a year. I don't know you but I feel that you need to do whatever YOU feel is necessary because if this is the first trouble you've had, you're doing pretty damn well as a parent.

[th3w01f]

Not the .gov side.
Supporting her while at the same time, understand her choice today can and will reflect on every thing she does down the road. I've been there, done that.
Now you get a speeding ticket and 15yrs down the road it cost you a security clearance.

On that point we can agree. Do what you need to do but you never throw your kids to the mercy of the courts. You fight them with everything you have. Even if you can't pay for a lawyer, you read some web pages and become a huge pain in the ass.

[Bailey Guns]

Helping the .gov so your kids will learn a lesson went out the door a long time ago.

Yeah. It's not like lack of accountability and not taking responsibility for actions has totally fucked up our society or anything. [/sarcasm]

You're not "helping" the government. The idea is to teach the kid a valuable life lesson.

[Great-Kazoo]

As a kid, my parents (divorced, but all the same) NEVER stood up for me. I was a good kid, thankfully. But I knew that if I got into deep shit NO ONE was there. I still have the same feelings about them. I've actually been considering an Official Rant due to recent events because I feel they are so ridiculous. To this very day I know my parents aren't there for me or my children. In the long run you need to be there. Discipline is far from punishment. Charge her for the lawyer. Make her do the yard work for a year. I don't know you but I feel that you need to do whatever YOU feel is necessary because if this is the first trouble you've had, you're doing pretty damn well as a parent.

FWIW: My old man was / is a 4th gen NYPD detective. There was no slack, NONE. You fuked up you made it right. I paid more than my share during my "teen years" and then some.

Flash forward late 90's. having the "talk" with our daughter. It was then i realized, as i told her. You know it's not that we're hard asses raising you, just trying to make sure you're safe and know what's happening.

Explaining i thought my old man was a prick, However in reality he wasn't. he was just trying to raise, us the way he felt was best at the time.

Fast forward, 2005? She's in a fighter wing off in the Indian Ocean and we receive a card / letter from her. She writes to thank us, for raising her in a way that taught her respect & responsibility. Something a few in her command lacked. She said those lessons / discipline got here where she was and will always remember how we supported and tried to do right by her, no matter how hard it may have seemed to her at the time.
THAT LETTER made every tear, smile, let down, recognition, accomplishment, etc worth every penny of mutual respect we earned with each other.

As i said Support BUT, make sure she understands what she does today will effect EVERYTHING she does down the road.

It sucks being a parent, fortunately i was never that bad when i was a kid.

[cofi]

i miss the days when a store would just call parents over stuff like this

[th3w01f]

Yeah. It's not like lack of accountability and not taking responsibility for actions has totally fucked up our society or anything. [/sarcasm]

You're not "helping" the government. The idea is to teach the kid a valuable life lesson.

Sorry but I think you're wrong. A good life's lesson (lifetime criminal record) is not worth destroying the rest of their life.

[Great-Kazoo]

i miss the days when a store would just call parents over stuff like this

Not me i'd take my chance with the cops. More lenient than a 1.5" belt.

[KestrelBike]

Not me i'd take my chance with the cops. More lenient than a 1.5" belt.

I cherish everytime my parents laid a hand on me, because I deserved it and more, and by golly I learned lessons.