Marijuana Inc - WTF?

[GunTroll]

Well since I haven't been in the 6th grade in a while, I try this. I burned once or twice in my being dumb days. It never did anything good for me. I may have eaten a little more and there for stimulated the economy a bit. I feel I missed out on things that I couldn't even think about at the time= like my future through the means of education. I just didn't care at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If I could do it over I would never had gone down the path I did. No weed isn't going to kill you or destroy your future. But in my humble ex pot smoker opinion it doesn't motivate you to do anything for yourself either. I was not a responsible toker. Maybe all of you that are so adamant about it being super legal were and are now. I don't want to see it go legal here in CO or anywhere.

Some good points were made on FED vs. state on the laws. I'll back that but still don't want to see it come mainstream and be sold anywhere. Not at the store or the corner. Sorry that's how I feel. Those of you with kids most likely understand. I have one and would not like to see him going up in the American version of Amsterdam. Flat out they (meaning all drugs) should never be legalized. Take away/or lower the opportunity (like what is happening now, being that drugs are illegal) and the chances/odds our youth will be better off for it. Only dopers fight/argue for the legalization of pot.

And Sturtle you are correct. Being a pot head doesn't make one bad at anything they do, i.e gunsmithing. But how many of you would like me to work on something that could blow up and send a bolt through your face. Before I got into gunsmithing I had no idea what goes into making firearms. Very important to be close to tolerances. No mistakes. I wouldn't go to an openly smoking gunsmith! Any of you? I had no idea this was such an important topic and will attempt to keep the humor out of talking about pot for now on.

[Irving]

I am directly copying my conversation with someone on another board about this into here. The response just before this, I copied what I said to you onto that board.

Here are some of the responses:

But Stu, it still goes back to discipline and resposibility. Do you think people are going to check to make sure that gun was working right? No, they are going to assume everything is fine. Something is going to happen where, say, it misfired while it was being put away and it killed a child. It will go back to the gunsmith being high like making the gun.
But it's not the gunsmith's fault for doing a crappy job (sarcasm). It's the "fact" that he was on legal weed.
That's how things go.
People's behaviors need to change first.

My understanding is that one of the main arguments against legalisation here was a problem with testing for impairment for drivers, along with the obvious pressure placed by Mr Bush on our government with regards to the issue. From what i recall they can tell that you have smoked but not when, nor how impaired you are.

My response:

You can fail a roadside for being sleep deprived and they have no way to prove that. You have to consider what circumstances one will come into contact with the police in the first place. People get pulled over while drunk because they are driving like they are drunk. Such is NOT the case with weed, or else it would be just as prevalent in the news as drunk driving stories.

Neil, I think you are being short sighted again. First, a hold harmless agreement will virtually eliminate the gunsmith from the equation. Second, how do you prove that he was intoxicated when he did the work? How do you prove that the work that was done even has anything to do with the function of the gun? The second one is easy, but the first one is impossible. Not to mention, that is what commercial general liability insurance is for. It is completely a non-issue. If you do bad work, you pay for it, it doesn't matter if you were drunk, or high, or sleepy, or forced, or in a hurry, or etc, etc, etc. It is all a non-issue.
One more example. If a mechanic is working on your car drunk and botches a brake job that causes you to crash, and it can be proven, then the commercial general liability is used. If the limits are exhausted, you sue the company and the individual. Life goes on. It makes absolutely NO difference if what caused the bad work was legal or not.

[GunTroll]

[quote=Sturtle;107086]I am directly copying my conversation with someone on another board about this into here. The response just before this, I copied what I said to you onto that board.

I'm sorry I'm confused. You posted what I said and these are the reponses? Or Something else?

[Irving]

The poster N FUL FX is mentioning a gun smith, because I copied both your example, and my response to it on his board. Then on here, I posted his response to what I said to you here, in addition to my response to him, on here.

I figured I'd just save myself some typing since we are having the same conversation on both boards.

Oh yeah, I forget to mention, don't stop with the humor, it keeps people in check.

[XJ]

Eric Cartman is the great philosopher I was thinking of with the "hippies" comment

There seems to be a lack of critical thinking in some responses, probably a result of lost brain cells There is the way that you wish the country worked, and there is reality. I seriously doubt those are anywhere close to the same for folks reading this.

1) Universal healthcare = free pot for millions of D voters

2) Public schools will become even worse.

Any additional tax revenue will be wasted on items 1 and 2. I could go on, but there's no point.

[GunTroll]

I got you now. Sorry. How is this topic over on this other site? As interesting? I beleive my point has been made and I'll bow out here.

[Irving]

I'd say the discussion on the other site is much better, because there are more people in the conversation and more points of view to cover more aspects. I'd link you to it, but I think you have to be a member to read the off-topic section.

XJ, I'm not talking about legalized marijuana for medicinal use. Straight legalization, just like prohibition. To not be able to see the parallels between the two is ridiculous.
Public schools are where marijuana is MOST prevalent, but that doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. I thought we already established that talking about taxes was a moot point because it is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the industry.

[Irving]

Here is the link, let me know if you can view it.

http://www.g2ic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191128

[theGinsue]

... Bush did coke...

I prefer Mtn Dew or Root Beer.

And, yes, you're right. If the federal government was the size it was supposed to be we wouldn't have the illegal income taxes,... or illegal gun laws, etc. Too many if's for me though and I don't see anything that's going to change that. I still never plan to imbibe of the weed and pray my kids stay away from it and other mind altering drugs as well (yeah, that goes for alcohol too) but I’m not holding my breath.

[HunterCO]

I just bought a quarter pound??

If you come over please bring creamer.....