Aging population = import people

[roberth]

I read that article. This is all a bubble propped up by trust in paper currency backed by assets that will cover the first loan but none of the subsequent loans. There are not enough assets currently to cover the debts of the governments or the people and monetizing debt will eventually fail.

As to the question about transferring a good percentage of Mexico's population here, I think that is just vote buying. What will these elites do when they run out of our money to pay for votes and the voters starts kicking down the mansion doors demanding their fair share? How do the elites plan to stay in power once they run out of gifts?

[generalmeow]

I read that article. This is all a bubble propped up by trust in paper currency backed by assets that will cover the first loan but none of the subsequent loans. There are not enough assets currently to cover the debts of the governments or the people and monetizing debt will eventually fail.

As to the question about transferring a good percentage of Mexico's population here, I think that is just vote buying. What will these elites do when they run out of our money to pay for votes and the voters starts kicking down the mansion doors demanding their fair share? How do the elites plan to stay in power once they run out of gifts?

I think you're right that it's effectively vote buying the way they've been doing it, and they're going to continue to do it. I'm just saying if they really couldn't vote, and really couldn't get government services for a really long time, we would probably be well served to get as many people from Mexico and the rest of the world as possible to keep the Ponzi scheme alive as long as possible. And that very well may be why the government is so insistent upon leaving illegal immigrants alone. But they're leaving out the important part. *

One side of me says "screw that, just collapse the sucker now and let's deal with it". The other side says "why not just continue to get free money as long as we can print it? It's not going to hurt any more in the future than it would right now if we pulled the plug." We're already past the point of no return, why don't we just keep enjoying it as long as the creditors will let us? We're not going to pay back $16 trillion any easier than $100 trillion.

*Edit - or is it really so hard to believe that the government has done the math and determined it is less expensive to let illegals come in and rape the system than to not have them be here at all? In other words, they contribute slightly more to the economy than they take out?

[Great-Kazoo]

I think you're right that it's effectively vote buying the way they've been doing it, and they're going to continue to do it. I'm just saying if they really couldn't vote, and really couldn't get government services for a really long time, we would probably be well served to get as many people from Mexico and the rest of the world as possible to keep the Ponzi scheme alive as long as possible. And that very well may be why the government is so insistent upon leaving illegal immigrants alone. But they're leaving out the important part. *

One side of me says "screw that, just collapse the sucker now and let's deal with it". The other side says "why not just continue to get free money as long as we can print it? It's not going to hurt any more in the future than it would right now if we pulled the plug." We're already past the point of no return, why don't we just keep enjoying it as long as the creditors will let us? We're not going to pay back $16 trillion any easier than $100 trillion.

*Edit - or is it really so hard to believe that the government has done the math and determined it is less expensive to let illegals come in and rape the system than to not have them be here at all? In other words, they contribute slightly more to the economy than they take out?

Use CA as the example and all your questions regarding Illegal's, health & entitlement systems will be answered. Bankrupt health system, more hospitals closed due to no income, etc etc.

[generalmeow]

Use CA as the example and all your questions regarding Illegal's, health & entitlement systems will be answered. Bankrupt health system, more hospitals closed due to no income, etc etc.

I don't have any questions about illegals. I said if we could guarantee that they couldn't vote or take advantage of the system, then I believe that we should bring in as many as possible, as Ponzi schemes depend on more and more suckers. Therefore the more suckers we can bring in, the longer it can last.

This is a good thing, if you believe that we might as well keep the charade going at this point.

My only question is if this is already the plan of the government, and instead of guaranteeing that they can't vote or take advantage of the system, both sides of the aisle have done the math and determined that we shouldn't care. Their motto might be "just get them here". But I'm certain that liberals like the part where they get to vote.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm trying to come up with a catch-all theory that explains why both sides of the aisle behave the way they do towards illegals. It doesn't make any sense, unless you look deeper. On the surface we should be rounding them up and sending them home, and shooting anyone who tries to come back across the border uninvited. There must be a meaningful reason to want them to come here illegally and stay, as both R's and D's don't seem to be doing anything about it.