I'm going to take your baby, don't resist.

[clublights]

Question......


For this one example of blatant abuse of the system by the Doctors/CPS.. ( I don;t blame the cops as much they probably had little knowledge of what was going on other then CPS said the kid is in danger so we are backing them up)

How many Kids do they TRUELY save ? 10 ... 2 .. 3 ... ?

Is that worth the risk of one fuck up to save the other 10 ? or is letting the other ten be abused ok to prevent the one fuck up ?

[Bailey Guns]

I always love how easy it is to predict the exact respone that will come from certain members when it comes to stories about cops just "doing there jobs".

And you apparently either didn't read or didn't comprehend this part:

Yes, it's a severe injustice and it's a disgrace. No question.

But being outraged about what you know about others is much more fun, isn't it?

[Chad4000]

Yeah...almost as predictable as how badass the internet commandos are gonna be "if the cops did that to me/my kid/my family."

if we already agree that it's an injustice,, then we are just debating how to deal with it. You trust the system and the courts.... not sure I do...

just playing devils advocate here. (because I agree, that anybody who really wanted to "fight" would end up losing). But if you wouldnt fight when somebody (cops or not) are taking your kid, would you ever fight? that can be rhetorical if you want....

certainly have to pick your battles. swat going door to door in boston was a huge injustice. would I have put up a fight? probably not.... CPS taking my kid like they did the one in the story? maybe.....maybe......

[BushMasterBoy]

So somebody explain to me on here exactly how they do this? Do they just do it because CPS has some mystical power to "legally" seize your children? Or did they have a court order or injunction? Or maybe the doctors go to the CPS and the CPS swears an affidavit to the district attorney, who orders the police to seize the child? I know one thing, federal court jurors can be brutal to local government mistakes financially. In other words what is the "due process of law" in this case?

[KevDen2005]

Good thing this was posted. CPS is out snatching children left and right. Come on, I have left children in some pretty horrible places. It take a whole hell of a lot of work to remove a child from a house. People just don't go in off some random accusation and take children.

[Bailey Guns]

if we already agree that it's an injustice,, then we are just debating how to deal with it. You trust the system and the courts.... not sure I do...

just playing devils advocate here. (because I agree, that anybody who really wanted to "fight" would end up losing). But if you wouldnt fight when somebody (cops or not) are taking your kid, would you ever fight? that can be rhetorical if you want....

certainly have to pick your battles. swat going door to door in boston was a huge injustice. would I have put up a fight? probably not.... CPS taking my kid like they did the one in the story? maybe.....maybe......

This isn't a battle to prove how tough you are. This is a battle to ultimately get what's best for your child and your family. Fighting the cops and getting hurt (or worse) and going to jail would've benefited the family how, exactly? If you fight, the kids are leaving with CPS anyway.

I've never had a problem fighting. But there have also been plenty that I've walked away from for various reasons. Do you think the smart warrior blindly charges into a battle he/she can't possibly win? Or do you think the smart warrior plots a strategy and gathers the resources needed to best insure a positive outcome to the fight?

It appears we agree that had the father/mother fought the cops, they would've lost. So my question to you is, would that put the child in a better position or worse position? I'm not minimizing what happened in any way. But the parents were obviously a lot smarter than some people on this forum and they approached this in the right way.

And frankly, I've been put in that situation as a cop and it sucked. Jesus and his .45 apparently think the cops sit around eating donuts and conspiring about how they're gonna go ruin some family's day and violate their rights and kick their dog. A lot of people who have exactly ZERO law enforcement experience always seem to know more about the cop's job than the cop. I don't know why that is.

[CroiDhubh]

This isn't a battle to prove how tough you are. This is a battle to ultimately get what's best for your child and your family. Fighting the cops and getting hurt (or worse) and going to jail would've benefited the family how, exactly? If you fight, the kids are leaving with CPS anyway.

I've never had a problem fighting. But there have also been plenty that I've walked away from for various reasons. Do you think the smart warrior blindly charges into a battle he/she can't possibly win? Or do you think the smart warrior plots a strategy and gathers the resources needed to best insure a positive outcome to the fight?

It appears we agree that had the father/mother fought the cops, they would've lost. So my question to you is, would that put the child in a better position or worse position? I'm not minimizing what happened in any way. But the parents were obviously a lot smarter than some people on this forum and they approached this in the right way.

And frankly, I've been put in that situation as a cop and it sucked. Jesus and his .45 apparently think the cops sit around eating donuts and conspiring about how they're gonna go ruin some family's day and violate their rights and kick their dog. A lot of people who have exactly ZERO law enforcement experience always seem to know more about the cop's job than the cop. I don't know why that is.

Because those people are looking at it from a civil rights/perceived rights issue and the cops are looking at it from the law/department mandates.

[Chad4000]

This isn't a battle to prove how tough you are. This is a battle to ultimately get what's best for your child and your family. Fighting the cops and getting hurt (or worse) and going to jail would've benefited the family how, exactly? If you fight, the kids are leaving with CPS anyway.

I've never had a problem fighting. But there have also been plenty that I've walked away from for various reasons. Do you think the smart warrior blindly charges into a battle he/she can't possibly win? Or do you think the smart warrior plots a strategy and gathers the resources needed to best insure a positive outcome to the fight?

It appears we agree that had the father/mother fought the cops, they would've lost. So my question to you is, would that put the child in a better position or worse position? I'm not minimizing what happened in any way. But the parents were obviously a lot smarter than some people on this forum and they approached this in the right way.

And frankly, I've been put in that situation as a cop and it sucked. Jesus and his .45 apparently think the cops sit around eating donuts and conspiring about how they're gonna go ruin some family's day and violate their rights and kick their dog. A lot of people who have exactly ZERO law enforcement experience always seem to know more about the cop's job than the cop. I don't know why that is.

Im not really talking about being tough.... this is a really touchy subject, and its really hard to tip toe around. I am thinking grand scheme... just going to throw out some hypotheticals here: would it be better for your son to know that his dad fought when people came for him? would it be better for his children someday if a few of us fought against obvious injustice? would it happen less if a few of us fought? I have no idea.... just throwing ideas out....

[clublights]

Another Question ........... ( even tho my last was ignored...)

If they had taken the kid form the first hospital... and NOT gone to the second.. just went home ... and the baby died.. would any of you say the parents needed to be brought up on charges? or what even the baby survived also ?


I'll hold my opinion till I see some others.

[Bailey Guns]

Question......


For this one example of blatant abuse of the system by the Doctors/CPS.. ( I don;t blame the cops as much they probably had little knowledge of what was going on other then CPS said the kid is in danger so we are backing them up)

How many Kids do they TRUELY save ? 10 ... 2 .. 3 ... ?

Is that worth the risk of one fuck up to save the other 10 ? or is letting the other ten be abused ok to prevent the one fuck up ?

Well, honestly, I don't know who abused the system here. Can you really tell from the article in the OP? Can we really tell exactly what happened based on the article? And I don't think there's really any way to answer your question in terms of numbers.