Tuiton break for illegals

[Irving]

That's the way I am looking at it. It is more of a consumer issue than a citizenship issue. Like I mentioned before, since citizenship is so difficult to enforce, other consequences are implemented that don't make sense on their own.

If the issue was that illegals have always had to pay three times as much for milk, and now were being allowed to pay what everyone else paid, the sentiment would be the same. People would be emotional because someome who was illegal would be existing here without some sort of consequences. They'd probably say that the illegals were being rewarded, and that now their tax dollars would be wasted on subsidizing all the milk the illegals would consume. Others would argue that now some citizens would be deprived of milk because some illegal was there to purchase the milk first, or that there wasn't enough milk to go around. Howeve, no one, would be able to argue that it actually costs more to produce milk that gets consumed by an illegal, than it does milk that gets consumed by a citizen.

So ask yourself, are you prepared to support legislation that alters free market prices for things unrelated to certain laws that have been broken? 30% higher gas prices for anyone who didn't register their cars on time. Mandatory mortgage rates of 50% of salary for anyone who owes property taxes; no option to pay the taxes and get in the clear.

Be mad about immigration, but don't get stupid about consumption.

[Irving]

Rest assured, I am a natural born citizen and so are my parents. I didn't need to take any steps.

So if someone bangs an illegal and a kid is born here, what is the difference between you and that kid?

[MrPrena]

Legal international students on F1 visa has to pay for the visa, and pay out-of-state tuition.
However, students who are here illegally doesn't have to get a student visa, and pay in-state tuition.
Something is wrong here.

[Irving]

International students don't live and work here before and after attending college. They also have active citizenships in other countries, as oppossed to the kid who has illegal parents, but was born here. People that were brought here as children are a slightly different issue.

[roberth]

Citizenship isn't difficult to enforce, the government just needs to enforce it. Walk up to the counter, fail to provide legal documentation, get denied. Denial of everything except CRITICAL hospital care, and when they get well enough for transport, send them to a hospital in their home country. These simple steps would have saved the lives of countless citizens.

Here are 3, I hope you remember this --> Aurora hit-run killed 2 women in pickup, 3-year-old in ice cream shop - http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10401431

It isn't a consumer issue, they shouldn't be here to consume anything. It is all about the rule of law, and the law isn't being enforced.

[roberth]

So if someone bangs an illegal and a kid is born here, what is the difference between you and that kid?

Citizenship is the difference, the bangee shouldn't have been here. The child isn't a citizen. The 14th is being ms-interpreted to support citizenship for the children of illegal aliens.

[Irving]

I can agree to that. So why are we wasting time and effort arguing about tution?

[Irving]

Citizenship is the difference, the bangee shouldn't have been here. The child isn't a citizen. The 14th is being ms-interpreted to support citizenship for the children of illegal aliens.

If both your parents are felons, should you have to pay out of state tuition? Your parents are criminals and by you going to college, your criminal parents are receiving some benefit, if they are even paying. Should children born of rape pay out of state tuition? Dad is some criminal and kid shouldn't have been born because dad shouldn't have raped her. Are we rewarding the kid by allowing them to attend college and have a criminal for a parent at the same time? How much money comes out of my pocket when rape kid pays instate tuition?

[roberth]

I can agree to that. So why are we wasting time and effort arguing about tution?

Because these illegals are getting something that citizens from other states can't get, a break on tuition in Colorado schools.

I just want these people to leave, preferably by attrition. I want every single thing denied to them. I want employers to lose their businesses and do time for hiring them. If we're going to recover the nation these people must go or at least be greatly diminished. And not just the Latinos, ALL of them, I don't care where they are from.

[roberth]

If both your parents are felons, should you have to pay out of state tuition? Your parents are criminals and by you going to college, your criminal parents are receiving some benefit, if they are even paying. Should children born of rape pay out of state tuition? Dad is some criminal and kid shouldn't have been born because dad shouldn't have raped her. Are we rewarding the kid by allowing them to attend college and have a criminal for a parent at the same time? How much money comes out of my pocket when rape kid pays instate tuition?

Are the parents citizens? Yes, then the child gets full benefit of citizenship.