Commiefornia Police Kick in Door and Taze Person Filming Them

[mutt]

Need more information on the call and the circumstances leading up to the contact before any comment can be made concerning the video.

It still doesn't excuse kicking in a door, guns drawn, and then tazing the owners who obviously posed no threat. While there may be an legitimate reason for entering the house without a warrant, I'd say the officers used excessive force. If they really were there on a domestic violence call, they tazed the supposed victim as soon as they entered the house! So much for protecting her...

[OneGuy67]

It still doesn't excuse kicking in a door, guns drawn, and then tazing the owners who obviously posed no threat. While there may be an legitimate reason for entering the house without a warrant, I'd say the officers used excessive force. If they really were there on a domestic violence call, they tazed the supposed victim as soon as they entered the house! So much for protecting her...

And you are basing your opinion on a 90 second video with no additional information? The "article" posted by BushMasterBoy doesn't cover it very well either. Who called the police? What was stated at that time? Did the agency have previous contact (history) with these two parties? I don't know these answers, which would influence how I handled the contact. The video certainly doesn't provide any answers either.

[mutt]

And you are basing your opinion on a 90 second video with no additional information? The "article" posted by BushMasterBoy doesn't cover it very well either. Who called the police? What was stated at that time? Did the agency have previous contact (history) with these two parties? I don't know these answers, which would influence how I handled the contact. The video certainly doesn't provide any answers either.

I agree the video doesn't tell the whole story but that 90 seconds does say a lot. If the cops could carry on a little conversation with the owners, while peering in the door's window, holster their side arms, then tell the owners they were going kick in the door, etc - I'd say they didn't feel they were in any real danger. Was tazing really warranted? This looks like police officers showing the owners who was in charge. A comply or else kind of action. The cops could have just as easily talked with the owners to assess if there was indeed any domestic violence issues that required further action.

[Bailey Guns]

I agree the video doesn't tell the whole story but that 90 seconds does say a lot. If the cops could carry on a little conversation with the owners, while peering in the door's window, holster their side arms, then tell the owners they were going kick in the door, etc - I'd say they didn't feel they were in any real danger. Was tazing really warranted? This looks like police officers showing the owners who was in charge. A comply or else kind of action. The cops could have just as easily talked with the owners to assess if there was indeed any domestic violence issues that required further action.

At what point do you stop asking and stop telling? Sometimes when you disregard a lawful order (and with the info provided we have no reason to believe it wasn't lawful) you get tazed. They were more than patient. Maybe the guy felt like he was in the right, too. Maybe he was. You simply can't tell from the video.

We should probably just issue the cops fluffy pillows so when they have to deal with people no one will get hurt.

[clublights]

We should probably just issue the cops fluffy pillows so when they have to deal with people no one will get hurt.

Even a fluffy pillow can out an eye out.......


LOL

[mutt]

At what point do you stop asking and stop telling? Sometimes when you disregard a lawful order (and with the info provided we have no reason to believe it wasn't lawful) you get tazed.

When I'm in my home I don't let anyone tell me to do anything (except for my wife ).

I'm not saying the police weren't proper in entering the home. Not even saying they weren't technically correct in tazing the occupants. I'm just asking if they really needed to go that far, especially when these people are in their own home and, while being uncooperative, they are not threatening anyone. And are you saying not letting the police into your home, when they don't have a warrant, is disobeying a lawful order? Not baiting I just don't understand what you are referring to as the lawful order? Last I read I don't have to let anyone from the govt into my house unless they have a warrant signed by a judge.

[Bailey Guns]

When I'm in my home I don't let anyone tell me to do anything (except for my wife ).

I'm not saying the police weren't proper in entering the home. Not even saying they weren't technically correct in tazing the occupants. I'm just asking if they really needed to go that far, especially when these people are in their own home and, while being uncooperative, they are not threatening anyone. And are you saying not letting the police into your home, when they don't have a warrant, is disobeying a lawful order? Not baiting I just don't understand what you are referring to as the lawful order? Last I read I don't have to let anyone from the govt into my house unless they have a warrant signed by a judge.

I'm not saying their entry was proper or improper either. There isn't enough information to make that decision. Therefore, we can't really answer if they needed to go that far.

And if you've never read about warrantless exceptions, you haven't read much. There's tons of case law and information out there (even in numerous threads on this forum) describing when police can enter your home without a warrant. And when they do come in you basically have 3 options:

• You can act like this guy and get tazed and go to jail
• You can act worse and have something worse happen and go to jail...with a possible stop at the ER
• You can adamantly but politely voice your disapproval of their actions, request to talk with a supervisor, and then cooperate and settle the issue later with the help of an attorney

Make no mistake...if the po-po do come into your house lawfully, with or without a warrant, they WILL be telling you what you're gonna do. There are a lot of chest thumping tough guys on here who might tell you differently. They're wrong. I ran into a lot of those types over 15 years. They were very vocal in their dislike for me and my actions (or other officers)...all the way to the county jail.

[Ronin13]

And you are basing your opinion on a 90 second video with no additional information? The "article" posted by BushMasterBoy doesn't cover it very well either. Who called the police? What was stated at that time? Did the agency have previous contact (history) with these two parties? I don't know these answers, which would influence how I handled the contact. The video certainly doesn't provide any answers either.

While I do yeild to your experience in that field- I think the question most are posing here, and again, we don't know the full story- but if all parties occupying the home are stating that the police were called in error, there was no reasonable grounds for anyone to suspect a DV was taking place, then what right do the cops have to illegally kick the door down and enter the home? To the best of my knowledge, none. Which would then lead me to believe that the moment they kicked my door down, all officers involved were violating my rights and subject to litigious action against the individuals and the department (unless they posed a direct threat to my/family's life, at which point it would be handled on a case by case basis).

ETA: Of course that's only hypothetically speaking if they came to my house in error on a DV call. In this particular case, no idea what happened prior to the filming, but it would appear, at face value, that no DV was taking place and without a warrant or probable cause, LEOs cannot enter your home without your permission, unless exigent circumstances exist- which I saw no cause for them to kick the door down- but again, I didn't see much in that video to sway either way.