Colorado does it again...Perazzi Arrested (Hoax)

[spyder]

There is a pretty simple reason why people who compete on a world level are not shooting Ruger Red Labels or Franchis. They're nice guns but simply do not hold up to ultra high round counts. Just about every olympic shotgun competitor is using either a krieghoff, a high end Beretta, or a Perazzi. You try telling them that. LOL

A $10,000 Perazzi is pretty much a plain jain no frills workhorse.

That is like telling a race car driver that a Hyundai will get him where he needs to go.

One of the main reasons why high end shooters shoot with those shotguns by the way, is because they are sponsored by that manufacturer. They get given those shotguns, and have them fitted to their specifications. That is the best advertising in the world, don't you think? Makes everyone from what I've seen so far think that they are magical shotguns... It's just smart advertising. Shooting isn't some big bad science that is made for rocket scientists.... You could easily make a cheap Citori off of GB, or hell ya a new Mossberg Silver reserve shoot just as good. Sorry, but you can. Many of the best shooters coming up in the sport use random guns before they get given, yes literally given a nicer gun. The only reason I'm running my mouth, or words on a screen right now, is because I know some people that work on some of the top shooters guns. The stories you hear from them are great, friggen fantastic about the firearms industry. The reason they tell us this, is so we are not so mesmerized by the industry when we try to go out on our own. Sorry to burst your bubble, but BP, Firemoth, and any other great smith on here could make a gun that shoots just as well for a tiny fraction of the price of a Perazzi. You're buying a name and that's all there is to it. There are a lot of people, companies out there that will charge a massive amount, simply because they can becaue of their name: business is business, and when you can make a shit ton of money off your name, business is good. The people who work on Perazzi's, Turnbull's, and the rest, are just normal guys, some of which got hired from the Career fair in Iowa this last March right out of school. Who remembers the AR10 that Turnbull made? Was it worth the 60 thousand or whatever that it went for? It was to the buyer*, and when I asked Dave at dinner what he thought it would go for, he simply said, "whatever the people will pay". Also the proper car argument would be telling someone that your $70,000 used Nissan GTR with a $70,000 AMS upgrade, will smash their million dollar car (which it would), and of course the guy with the Bugatti, Lambo, Ferrari (you choose any other high end exotic), will just laugh, till you kick their ass on the track. That is a proper comparison. I'm sorry that you all feel that way. If you think you have to spend several thousand dollars to shoot to the best of your abilities, I guess that's your fault. I'm not trying to be a fancy pants smart ass or anything, I'm just trying to convey the truth that I have learned in two years of talking to people like Dave Turnbull, Chuck Grace, Clayton Nelson, Sharon Dressler, Jerry Fisher, and bla bla bla the list goes on. To put it in true perspective with a company like Perazzi... They make a nice gun, but it isn't any better than the nice quality $3000 guns that are out there, the difference is the name. Not to be confused by that last part, you could build a $750 shotgun up to shoot like a Perazzi pretty easily. < Also, I'm not talking about the finish, engraving, and fit, just the ability to shoot the same, that is all this discussion is about, how it shoots.

[DavieD55]

One of the main reasons why high end shooters shoot with those shotguns by the way, is because they are sponsored by that manufacturer. They get given those shotguns, and have them fitted to their specifications. That is the best advertising in the world, don't you think? Makes everyone from what I've seen so far think that they are magical shotguns... It's just smart advertising. Shooting isn't some big bad science that is made for rocket scientists.... You could easily make a cheap Citori off of GB, or hell ya a new Mossberg Silver reserve shoot just as good. Sorry, but you can. Many of the best shooters coming up in the sport use random guns before they get given, yes literally given a nicer gun. The only reason I'm running my mouth, or words on a screen right now, is because I know some people that work on some of the top shooters guns. The stories you hear from them are great, friggen fantastic about the firearms industry. The reason they tell us this, is so we are not so mesmerized by the industry when we try to go out on our own. Sorry to burst your bubble, but BP, Firemoth, and any other great smith on here could make a gun that shoots just as well for a tiny fraction of the price of a Perazzi. You're buying a name and that's all there is to it. There are a lot of people, companies out there that will charge a massive amount, simply because they can becaue of their name: business is business, and when you can make a shit ton of money off your name, business is good. The people who work on Perazzi's, Turnbull's, and the rest, are just normal guys, some of which got hired from the Career fair in Iowa this last March right out of school. Who remembers the AR10 that Turnbull made? Was it worth the 60 thousand or whatever that it went for? It was to the buyer*, and when I asked Dave at dinner what he thought it would go for, he simply said, "whatever the people will pay". Also the proper car argument would be telling someone that your $70,000 used Nissan GTR with a $70,000 AMS upgrade, will smash their million dollar car (which it would), and of course the guy with the Bugatti, Lambo, Ferrari (you choose any other high end exotic), will just laugh, till you kick their ass on the track. That is a proper comparison. I'm sorry that you all feel that way. If you think you have to spend several thousand dollars to shoot to the best of your abilities, I guess that's your fault. I'm not trying to be a fancy pants smart ass or anything, I'm just trying to convey the truth that I have learned in two years of talking to people like Dave Turnbull, Chuck Grace, Clayton Nelson, Sharon Dressler, Jerry Fisher, and bla bla bla the list goes on. To put it in true perspective with a company like Perazzi... They make a nice gun, but it isn't any better than the nice quality $3000 guns that are out there, the difference is the name. Not to be confused by that last part, you could build a $750 shotgun up to shoot like a Perazzi pretty easily. < Also, I'm not talking about the finish, engraving, and fit, just the ability to shoot the same, that is all this discussion is about, how it shoots.

I guess that is your opinion. Shooting is somewhat "rocket science" spyder. How come serious benchrest shooters are not using Browning A-bolts and Mossberg 4X4s to win national maches? Is it because Common sense would dictate that there are better tools for the job? You do bring up a valid point though as Daniele Perazzi is very involved with the US shooting team.

[brutal]

I guess that is your opinion. Shooting is somewhat "rocket science" spyder. How come serious benchrest shooters are not using Browning A-bolts and Mossberg 4X4s to win national maches? Is it because Common sense would dictate that there are better tools for the job? You do bring up a valid point though as Daniele Perazzi is very involved with the US shooting team.

@ comparing bench rest bolt guns to shotgun accuracy.

[DavieD55]

@ comparing bench rest bolt guns to shotgun accuracy.

It has to do with mechanics. I dont think you guys really know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting at a world level and shooting hundreds of thousands of rounds through the same shotgun. Spyder thinks a Mossberg Silver Reserve will last as long as a Perazzi.

[Aloha_Shooter]

There is a big difference between the cosmetic dressing that Turnbull is famous for and performance enhancement that you see on competition firearms and I'm sorry you don't see that, I guess that's your fault. You're trying to compare an auction for a dressed up firearm with performance enhancements and it just doesn't work that way. You talk about the guys working on the Perazzis being normal guys but you ignore the fact that what they're working on is different. My cousin specializes in fixing and tuning European autos and has for over 30 years. You can put him (the same mechanic) on a Porsche 911 and Toyota Prius and they just won't perform the same way.

There is an element of shooting something because they get it for free but there's also a very real difference in performance in some of these systems. I'll bet you CAN take an off-the-rack Mossberg and get it to shoot like a Perazzi -- you may or may not have $3000 invested in it by the time you do but it's certainly possible to make them perform similarly.

[spyder]

@ comparing bench rest bolt guns to shotgun accuracy.

That's what I was thinking... not the same.

It has to do with mechanics. I dont think you guys really know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting at a world level and shooting hundreds of thousands of rounds through the same shotgun. Spyder thinks a Mossberg Silver Reserve will last as long as a Perazzi.

Um... ya, actually one more than likely will. Perazzi's break also.... there are Steven's that have shot tens of thousands of rounds without breaking.... Before you go trying to be a smart ass, you should know what you're talking about. I've seen a Perazzi come through the school to have one of our instructors work on because in it's first week of use, the sear broke. What point were you trying to make?

There is a big difference between the cosmetic dressing that Turnbull is famous for and performance enhancement that you see on competition firearms and I'm sorry you don't see that, I guess that's your fault. You're trying to compare an auction for a dressed up firearm with performance enhancements and it just doesn't work that way. You talk about the guys working on the Perazzis being normal guys but you ignore the fact that what they're working on is different. My cousin specializes in fixing and tuning European autos and has for over 30 years. You can put him (the same mechanic) on a Porsche 911 and Toyota Prius and they just won't perform the same way.

There is an element of shooting something because they get it for free but there's also a very real difference in performance in some of these systems. I'll bet you CAN take an off-the-rack Mossberg and get it to shoot like a Perazzi -- you may or may not have $3000 invested in it by the time you do but it's certainly possible to make them perform similarly.

Well, I didn't compare a Prius to a Porsche... And, a Perazzi isn't some complicated shotgun..... If your gunsmith is good, he can work on it. Like I said, no rocket science involved. I don't get the correlation... there isn't special metal that these are made of. The higher end shotguns that are from the normal manufacturers are made of high grade metals, um, just like your Perazzi... Tolerances in the Perazzi will be higher, but that is something that your gunsmith can do with your Mossberg, or used Citori that you can buy for under a grand. Yes, like I said, these lower shelf shotguns will require money invested ("they can be made to") to get them to shoot like a Perazzi, but it will still be thousands, many thousands less, a giant fraction less than a Perazzi.

[DavieD55]

That's what I was thinking... not the same.

Um... ya, actually one more than likely will. Perazzi's break also.... there are Steven's that have shot tens of thousands of rounds without breaking.... Before you go trying to be a smart ass, you should know what you're talking about. I've seen a Perazzi come through the school to have one of our instructors work on because in it's first week of use, the sear broke. What point were you trying to make?

I guess the point that i am trying to drive home is that I think it is best left up to each member of the US Shooting Team or anyone else for that matter to decide on what brand and style of shotguns will accommodate their individual needs in order to bring home the gold in their particular shooting disciplines. Whether you are for the Mossberg/Stevens or the designs of Daniele Perazzis MX series of guns, those shooters know what works best for them.


You're right Perazzis are not complicated shotguns that is what makes them so awesome.

[MrPrena]

SO, who got all triple crown? Jockey or a Horse? BOTH.
There are some difference between high end o/u and lower end.
Weight, balance, grading, wood, engraving, etc.
If I am going into a national/international competition, I sure am not gonna swing a unbalanced/heavy Citori or 686 to shoot a double trap for sure.

* owned berettas, browning and franchi.. Luckly I had guys at a trap/sporting clay range to let me play with their low/mid end mx series.

[Boadie30]

According to Brownie.. Adams County PIO denies any involmentent.

[Boadie30]

Where did it go? I have searched... too many beers, only two... Must be getting old.