Bush is looking better and better

[Aloha_Shooter]

No, 9-11, WTC 7, Iraq, The Patriot Act, wiretapping, massive education cuts to finance Iraq, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, record breaking profits for his oil industry buddies at a time when we're all paying >$4.70 per gallon and being told it's all supply-based, and that shit eating grin every time he told us to "stay the course", told me to hate Bush.

Bush was Obama : the Beta Test. Just not as smart. That was the Cheney/Rove/Rice presidency... an ugly, overbearing hydra oligarchy with a puppet just barely smart enough to be dangerous. Ohole is just carrying on what Bush started.

The only thing Bush had going for him was not elevating gay rights to the level of worship, and not overtly attacking our 2A rights. He just left that to his successor.

What massive education cuts? They spent more on education every damned year -- and I defy you to find me a place in the Constitution that authorizes federal expenditures or involvement in education.

Better check your memory -- gas was never $4.70/gal under Bush except maybe in CA -- it was about $2.80/gal on Jan 20, 2009. Federal gas taxes constituted a larger portion of what you paid at the pump than oil industry profits -- about double if memory serves me right.

As TEAMRICO stated, you hated Bush because you were told to hate Bush and you demonstrate it in the ignorance behind the litany of reasons you hated Bush. I was no fan, still am not, but I also pay no attention to the foil hat garbage spewed by the liberals or self-proclaimed libertarians. I'm sorry to see Rand Paul going down the same crazy path as his father, he seemed a tad more reasonable and balanced until recently.

[TFOGGER]

I never liked Dubya, but I'm under no illusions that he was stupid. You don't graduate from Harvard AND Yale with a room temperature IQ. The blame for 9/11(not the act, but the intel failures) can be laid at the feet of one William Jefferson Clinton; he's the one that gutted the CIA's on-the-ground operations in favor of relying on remote surveillance and electronic data gathering. Regardless, Oblowme will go down as the worst (and potentially last)president in history.

[Ronin13]

9-11, WTC 7

I lost a little respect for you just for bringing this up in correlation to GW. I guess people just can't listen to experts in engineering, firefighting and construction... I am so goddamn sick of people spouting this AJ/Loose Change shit about WTC 7... go read the Debunking 9/11 stuff out there, from people who actually know what they're talking about.

Anyway, I digress. Did Bush mishandle 9/11's aftermath? Maybe a little (see: Patriot Act), but his response (see: Afghanistan) was appropriate. Was Bush the worst president ever? Hardly. Was he responsible for the 2008 economic collapse? Not entirely (see: Clinton admin, Fannie and Freddie). If he were running again today and I had to choose between he and Obama, I'd vote for Bush, again.

I never liked Dubya, but I'm under no illusions that he was stupid. You don't graduate from Harvard AND Yale with a room temperature IQ. The blame for 9/11(not the act, but the intel failures) can be laid at the feet of one William Jefferson Clinton; he's the one that gutted the CIA's on-the-ground operations in favor of relying on remote surveillance and electronic data gathering. Regardless, Oblowme will go down as the worst (and potentially last)president in history.

THIS! Clinton had OBL in his sights back in the late 1990's... he could have really gone after him and potentially prevented all this... but then again, he also could have prevented Rwanda, the 2008 housing collapse, and a host of other things, but he was a spineless POS.

[Rabid]

I'm no fan of President Bush but he inherited problems that stem back to his father and Klinton allowed these problems to build. President Bush just happened to be the man when these problems finally bloomed.

Agreed. Bush will be seen as a mediocre president in the history books and that really is what he was.

[Bailey Guns]

I applaud the well-reasoned responses to that massive FAIL of a post. I couldn't have remained civil if I'd responded.

[Ronin13]

I applaud the well-reasoned responses to that massive FAIL of a post. I couldn't have remained civil if I'd responded.

I applaud your restraint anyway Carl...

[hurley842002]

I applaud the well-reasoned responses to that massive FAIL of a post. I couldn't have remained civil if I'd responded.

Agree ^^

[Dingo]

Well, this obviously has everyone hot under the collars. I'm always happy to debate up until people get emotional and the inevitable ad hominem attacks begin. Not here to convince anybody, just stating my opinion (which incidentally has nothing whatsoever to do with AJ or his ilk. There are more of us 9-11 truthers in the mainstream than most people would like to admit.).

As far as Bush's intelligence - I stated before that I believe it wasn't his presidency to begin with. I think Cheney, Rice, and Rove were all quite intelligent. Regardless of his level of involvement, he was complicit at the very least. Graduated Yale and Harvard? Money always gives a nice boost academically, as do politically-connected family.

[Dingo]

But just to clarify I did vote for him twice. I won't argue that he was the lesser of two evils. And a step up from Clinton or Bush Sr. I don't understand economics well enough to place the blame at his door or Clinton's. In my opinion, we haven't had a respectable president since Reagan. Is Ohole worse? Sure. But he wouldn't have the reaching powers he does now with no oversight, without Bush's legacy. In my book, they're different sides of the same coin.

[Aloha_Shooter]

The problem with 9-11 Truthers is the same problem I was trying to illustrate with your statement: when the thesis conflicts with facts, you stick with the thesis.

Case in point was the $4.70/gal gas you stated. This chart is courtesy of the San Jose Mercury News:



Of course they were trying to say Obama's gas prices are no worse than Bush's but even their figures don't show gas ever breaking $4/gal under Bush.

As far as the charge about "massive education cuts" goes, Bush spent 16.5% of his budget on Education vs. 17.3% under Clinton but that was on a budget that ranged from $3.2-5T per year versus $2.5-3.1T so as I said, overall expenditures INCREASED.

You have the right to your opinion, I simply request it be based on facts rather than liberal propaganda or foil hat fantasies.