Eow feedback discussion

[AK545Man]

Like the guy said earlier, if that's the way the seller wants to do it then that's his prerogative. Just like the one I sold. If it bothered him then he would've said something about it. If you sell and you don't want to, don't. If you sell and you want to, state it. And they buyer will either buy it or not.

I have bought stuff from a friend and he still has a copy of my license. Doesn't bother me. I'm not planning on robbing banks or shooting presidents so I'm not worried about it.

Anyways, keep shooting!!!

[ryanek9freak]

Why do you bring up the law, if the law doesn't support your actions? It is your decision to make a copy of a license or not, no one can take that away from you, but don't use the law as your reference if the law doesn't say that you have to.

There are certain things that I require from my customers that are not based on the law, but prior experiences. I will explain to people that our company policy is set this way because we have been burned before, and I don't want the customer to feel like I don't trust them. Most people don't feel slighted by our company policy, because I tell them that we've been taken advantage of before, and they understand because they work in the same industry and know what people are capable of.

If you asked for a copy of my license, and I agreed contingent on me getting a copy of your license, what does that say about you as a seller if you refuse?

Like I said, I wouldn't refuse that, if you really wanted it.

[XJ]

Was there clear and unambiguous communication between the buyer and seller regarding the bill of sale? I can't tell from the first couple posts.


Some folks just want to glance at a DL or CCW to see if the person is a state resident, that's pretty harmless. Others want all the details, which always results in an enthusiastic multi-page discussion.

[GunTroll]

I'd laugh and leave. YOU AIN'T GETTIN SHIT FROM ME! Unless its witnessed and signed and a LEGAL contract it is as worthless as TP. Second thought I like my TP.

[Pancho Villa]

I'd laugh and leave. YOU AIN'T GETTIN SHIT FROM ME! Unless its witnessed and signed and a LEGAL contract it is as worthless as TP. Second thought I like my TP.

There is that as well. Unless its noterized it really doesn't have any bearing in court.

Maybe I would consent to giving a copy of my DL and a bill of sale - on the condition that the seller make it not be a total waste of time and pay for a notary to witness the transaction. Out of his own dime, of course.

[Irving]

Like I said, I wouldn't refuse that, if you really wanted it.

I've spent some time thinking about this, and if the ONLY requirement was a photo copy of my driver's license, it was a good deal, and the seller agreed to give me a copy of their DL, then I think I'd be okay with it as well.


It is true that a bill of sale doesn't mean anything though. I can sell you a car and you can turn around and kill someone with the car. The existence of a bill of sale isn't going to prove who done it though.


Heck, in fact, if all guns get banned, I think I'll print up a bill of sale for each gun and just have a different friend sign each one. That way no one will ever suspect me of still having any guns.

[Irving]

I think the going rate for a notary is like $5 right?

[AK545Man]

Heck, in fact, if all guns get banned, I think I'll print up a bill of sale for each gun and just have a different friend sign each one. That way no one will ever suspect me of still having any guns.

Nice.

[RRD3]

There is that as well. Unless its noterized it really doesn't have any bearing in court.

Maybe I would consent to giving a copy of my DL and a bill of sale - on the condition that the seller make it not be a total waste of time and pay for a notary to witness the transaction. Out of his own dime, of course.

I was also told that it being notarized does not make it a legal document either. Can it hurt to have a 3rd party witness. No. But if your going to go through that kind of hassle then you might as well take your ass to an FFL or retail shop.

[sniper7]

I always make a copy of someone's licence when I sell a gun privatley. Just so I can show the ATF should they ever show up at my house with gun trace data.

Anyone who has a problem with it can fuck themselves. If you've got nothing to hide, then why would that be the back out factor?

Because we should have to worry about it in the first place. Its not like you are meeting up with a gang member with a flag out his back pocket looking over his shoulder being sketchy.

The law says you don't need it. You make yourself look like a gun dealer by keeping records. Say you bought a stripped lower 6 months ago for $100, you see it and get a bill of sale showing you sold it for $150. ATF comes to you, says this gun was used in a crime, we realize it was sold, but you sold it at a profit which is dealing without a license. You even have the paperwork to prove it. their case is easy, you pay the fines, possibly do some jail time over it and never get to own firearms again.

On the other hand, no paperwork, say you sold it for what you bought it for, there was no proof of profit, you needed the money for rent..etc and there is nothing to be used against you.