Help settle dispute on athleticism...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Awesome!
You found pictures of your Grandma!

I didn't know that Fat & Slow could actually be captured in a photograph.... and then Bam!



Seriously though, I do have a little more respect for JM... but only a little.

You two are going to hurt my feelers.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[Delfuego]

You two are going to hurt my feelers.

Not if your a hockey playa... Fat, slow and shit hands are the best complement I get at the rink nowadays.

[BPTactical]

You two are going to hurt my feelers.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

Sew up your gash, get your gloves on and smack the biscuit you cementhead....

[TheBelly]

Aside from a very few notable exceptions when was the last time a hockey player got jammed up about a pound of weed in the car, an illegal weapon possession, complicity in a homicide, domestic violence or the like?
Daily occurance for NBA and NFL players it seems.

I like watching the NFL and NBA off-season.... it's called COPS.

[PugnacAutMortem]

I haven't read all of the posts so I am not sure if someone already made this argument, but I think this is the most compelling argument for hockey.

How many fat old guys do you see playing pick up hockey games (not many. maybe old guys but not fat guys)? How many of those same guys will go out and play pick up basketball (many a fat and or old guy will play pick up basketball)?

*mic drop*

[Ronin13]

Thats like saying every basketball player needs to be able to make it down the court...or maybe just stay and defend/rebound and or dunk...

Half the hockey players stay back for defense. The goalie barely moves his ass except to gather up a puck to slide to the ref.
Hockey scores so few points they had to allow for power plays that probably account for almost half the goals in a game.

Hockey is cool because of the contact. If it wasn't for that, they are essentially a smaller field soccer team on ice wearing pads and helmets carrying sticks. Just not many points scored. Yeah...soccer has Goooooooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! But you get a buzzer and a light!

Sounds to me like someone didn't get picked for those pickup games on the weekends... Do you even watch hockey, bro?

After playing hockey and basketball growing up, I would have to say hockey is way more intense and physically demanding. Now if this was a poll between hockey and Lacrosse. That would be a toss up in my book.

This is why I didn't even bother bringing Lacrosse into the argument- pretty even matched.

I like watching the NFL and NBA off-season.... it's called COPS.

So very true... kinda sad really.

I haven't read all of the posts so I am not sure if someone already made this argument, but I think this is the most compelling argument for hockey.

How many fat old guys do you see playing pick up hockey games? How many of those same guys will go out and play pick up basketball?

*mic drop*

Uh both? Can you clarify which side you're speaking about that doesn't have fat old guys playing? I've played pick up with some pretty old dudes (late 50's- that's pretty old to play on a frozen lake with guys in their early 20's), and I've been to some men's league b-ball games (never played) where there are some old fat guys hustling out on the court- looks like an episode of the Biggest Loser. So what side are you defending?

[Delfuego]

How many fat old guys do you see playing pick up hockey games? How many of those same guys will go out and play pick up basketball?

Lets see your ass go play hockey. That should be good for a laugh.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Uh both? Can you clarify which side you're speaking about that doesn't have fat old guys playing? I've played pick up with some pretty old dudes (late 50's- that's pretty old to play on a frozen lake with guys in their early 20's), and I've been to some men's league b-ball games (never played) where there are some old fat guys hustling out on the court- looks like an episode of the Biggest Loser. So what side are you defending?

Lets see your ass go play hockey. That should be good for a laugh.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. You don't see fat guys playing hockey. There's plenty of fat guys playing basketball. Hell, even at a professional level.

And delfuego...not sure what you read or what you assumed about me...but that was an interesting response.

[MarkCO]

FWIW, the old fat guy comments are pretty far off point. Athletic ability has NOTHING to do with how old or fat you are. Physical condition, speed, how long you can go, but actual athletic ability...ZILCH!

[ZERO THEORY]

Basketball, IMO. While putting a shot in the top shelf over a goalie's glove, or in the five hole requires a LOT of precision and coordination, I think the overall intuition with physics required to maneuver around a defender, jump, judge the distance and stroke needed, then release a shot in basketball outshines it in spades. To say nothing of the visual-physical-auditory coordination needed to dribble through a group of defenders while scanning the rest of the floor and evaluating where, when, and how hard to either pass, or where to then move and restart steps 1-4 all within a fraction of a second for the whole time you've got the ball.

I also consider athleticism to be two-fold. Not only the coordination and cognitive skills, but physical capabilities. Namely: speed, strength, and stamina in the respiratory and muscular systems. It goes without saying that basketball players are faster, more agile, can jump higher, and move with much more dexterity. While hockey players are stronger, they're still inferior against the versatility of a basketball player, IMO. Keep in mind that guys like Lebron, Kobe, and D. Rose are regularly on the floor for 3/4 or more of the game. Even Patrick Kane is getting out on line changes every few minutes.

In short, I must give hockey players their due as top athletes, but I think in terms of pure objective athleticism, basketball players are in a completely different echelon.




Also, for what it's worth, neither of them will ever touch a footballer (real football). Messi, Drogba, Ronaldino, and RVP are gods amongst men.