DOMA/Prop 8 decisions

[Madeinhb]

Indeed, we should just go to a flat sales tax instead of income tax and get the gov't out of marriage. Of course, this should include the right of people to decline that which goes against their beliefs; if a baker doesn't want to make a "wedding" cake for a gay couple, let 'em, don't let them be sued!

My bigger concern for the future, though, is that standing issue I mentioned earlier. If the state won't defend it, who can?

They have the right to refuse service.

[lowbeyond]

Why does the State have to insert itself into marriage? All marrage is, as it pertains the the State, is a bundle of contracts. Why should you be restricted in contracting to who you want ?

You want to get Married, go to a church.

[RblDiver]

They have the right to refuse service.

There's a lawsuit going on where the couple is suing the baker for discrimination. That's what I'm against.


Edit (so I'm not just increasing my postcount even more lol): The first part of this article says what I'm most worried about, that the people's decisions don't mean jack if the state disagrees: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/2...ferendums-now/

[Madeinhb]

There's a lawsuit going on where the couple is suing the baker for discrimination. That's what I'm against.


Edit (so I'm not just increasing my postcount even more lol): The first part of this article says what I'm most worried about, that the people's decisions don't mean jack if the state disagrees: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/2...ferendums-now/

They might sue over it, but it's a he said she said debate. Baker could just say that he is busy and won't be able to make the cake. I don't see how a court can force/dictate a business who they can do business with.

[RblDiver]

They might sue over it, but it's a he said she said debate. Baker could just say that he is busy and won't be able to make the cake. I don't see how a court can force/dictate a business who they can do business with.

Well, for example the, what is it called, Federal Fair Housing Act or somesuch, you can't discriminate who you rent to, etc. I'm sure they'll argue it along these sorts of lines.

[davsel]

From:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/...-incompatible/

...
- A Methodist church in New Jersey was sued for not offering its facility for use during same-sex weddings. A judge ruled against the church.
- A same-sex couple from California sued a Hawaiian bed and breakfast privately owned by a Christian woman for not allowing them to rent a room.
- A bed and breakfast in Alton privately owned by a Christian couple was sued when they would not host a same-sex civil union ceremony.
- Owners of a small, privately owned inn in Vermont declined to host a same sex wedding reception due to their religious views and were sued.
- An employee of Allstate insurance wrote an essay online disagreeing with same-sex marriage and was reportedly fired from his job as a result.
- Catholic Charities was barred from assisting in adoptions in Massachusetts, Washington, D.C., and Illinois and excluded from future contracts because it declined to consider same sex couples. Sorry kids, but the agenda impresarios need to make an example.
There are even more examples. The fight has only just begun. Might as well stop trying to convince yourself it hasn't.

[sellersm]

Lord have mercy, we are toast... Man has no business trying to "redefine" what he didn't create. The current is gaining strength...

[ImNtUrBuddyGuy]

Yeah I can see a enlisted man and his family denied living in military housing because some higher ranking homosexual and his gay lover(spouse) have priority...so the .gov has no say in this? Pretty disgusting to me, but I guess conservative traditionalist are all wrong. So now we are forced to give security clearances to people like Bradley Manning...meanwhile Colorado is burning. The people have elected some real idiots this time around!

What does Bradley Manning have to do with this? Is it because he is gay? I don't think him being gay has anything to do with him being a traitor.

[davsel]

What does Bradley Manning have to do with this? Is it because he is gay? I don't think him being gay has anything to do with him being a traitor.

When I was interviewed for my first clearance in '87, there were more questions about homosexuality than anything else.
They are statistically less mentally stable, and more easily coerced/blackmailed than normal people.

[ImNtUrBuddyGuy]

When I was interviewed for my first clearance in '87, there were more questions about homosexuality than anything else.
They are statistically less mentally stable, and more easily coerced/blackmailed than normal people.

There are plenty of guys I know in the military who unfortunately have mental issues (PTSD, TBI) who still have their clearance. Straight people are just as easily blackmailed because for other reasons; I knew a few guys who lost their clearance because of extramarital affairs.

So are you saying combat vets shouldn't get a clearance either?