DOMA/Prop 8 decisions

[Jumpstart]

I used to think that way, but how does amending what a marriage is to some people decay or devalue a culture or society? I agree that they're going about it too aggressively, perhaps even disrespectfully (again back to my bullying comments with the gay rights/civil rights argument). But I do not vehemently oppose their desire for equality in terms of federal and state benefits- especially since civil unions do not grant the same rights and treatment as marriage. So traditionally marriage is defined as between a man and woman. Well traditionally defeated enemies in war were regarded as property. Traditions can change, and not always for the degradation of society or morals. You're also insinuating that a same-sex couple cannot build and raise a family. By that logic (I'm assuming you mean because they cannot naturally conceive a child) then sterile straight couples are also regressive. Just applying the same logic. And by the way, the popular opinion of the world (yes, I said world) is that homosexuality is not deviant nor regressive to society or the family unit. There are differing opinions out there, and just because you and a bunch of other people think homosexuality is wrong or whatever your thoughts may be, there is a number of people who have an opposite opinion to yours- ie: my uncle wouldn't agree with your thoughts of what a marriage "should be"- unfortunately he isn't alive today to defend his "gay agenda" position.

I just think that there are other opinions in dissent/ disagreement with homosexuals agenda that are unfairly smeared/threatened or "bullied" if you will. It's happening right now in federal government jobs.

[Jumpstart]

Does this bother you because of religious beliefs?

Negative. On a social, cultural, traditional level.

[Madeinhb]

I think we need to change marriage in government. Call it civil unions for everyone. Straights can get married then apply for a civil union by government. Gays get same civil unions from the government.

[centrarchidae]

I think I'd like to meet someone who is so completely perfect that he has any business even having an opinion about other people's marriages.

In 30-some-off years, it ain't happened yet.

[Madeinhb]

I think I'd like to meet someone who is so completely perfect that he has any business even having an opinion about other people's marriages.

In 30-some-off years, it ain't happened yet.

Has nothing to do with being perfect an other people's lives.

[centrarchidae]

Has nothing to do with being perfect an other people's lives.

Then why are we having this discussion?

Because teh ghey is unnatural? So is walking upright, wiping my ass with paper instead of bare hands, or being able to pick up the phone and having someone bring my fat ass some pizza. Give me unnatural hygiene and convenience food any day.

Because "they" (whoever "they" are) will want to marry their horses or their restaurant-grade kitchen mixers next? Why is it that only the anti-ghey-marriage people ever bring that up? Has anybody (other than the occasional attention whore who gets written up in News of the Weird) ever actually tried that?

Because if we let teh ghey adopt each others kids, then the polygamists will want to as well? Even if, so what? The more people who adopt, the more who are on the hook for taking care of the kids, and the less that the government ends up either raising or paying for them.

Because teh ghey is icky? Damn straight. Gay dudes are gross and lesbians in real life are never like the lesbians on the internet. Even if, so what?

Because teh ghey want to get out of paying estate taxes for inheriting each other's stuff? Can you blame them?

Because gays are bad for kids? Even if that's true (I'm not convinced), so are abusive or negligent straight parents. Are you planning to also call for annulling the marriages of abusive straight parents?

Because "marriage" is a religious word that teh ghey are trying to steal? My marriage license says "marriage license" and was issued by the Jefferson County Clerk and Recorder, not previously known to me to be a church.

Because letting gays marry will "destroy" the instittution of marriage? How would that work?

Or, if there's another reason, I must have missed it.

[davsel]

Because of this:

From: http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ty/ho0003.html

Societies that did not place boundaries around sexuality were stymied in their development. The subsequent dominance of the Western world can largely be attributed to the sexual revolution initiated by Judaism and later carried forward by Christianity.

This revolution consisted of forcing the sexual genie into the marital bottle. It ensured that sex no longer dominated society, heightened male-female love and sexuality (and thereby almost alone created the possibility of love and eroticism within marriage), and began the arduous task of elevating the status of women.

I, for one, do not want our society to go backward. But, my faith leaves me little faith in society.

[Madeinhb]

Then why are we having this discussion?

Because teh ghey is unnatural? So is walking upright, wiping my ass with paper instead of bare hands, or being able to pick up the phone and having someone bring my fat ass some pizza. Give me unnatural hygiene and convenience food any day.

Because "they" (whoever "they" are) will want to marry their horses or their restaurant-grade kitchen mixers next? Why is it that only the anti-ghey-marriage people ever bring that up? Has anybody (other than the occasional attention whore who gets written up in News of the Weird) ever actually tried that?

Because if we let teh ghey adopt each others kids, then the polygamists will want to as well? Even if, so what? The more people who adopt, the more who are on the hook for taking care of the kids, and the less that the government ends up either raising or paying for them.

Because teh ghey is icky? Damn straight. Gay dudes are gross and lesbians in real life are never like the lesbians on the internet. Even if, so what?

Because teh ghey want to get out of paying estate taxes for inheriting each other's stuff? Can you blame them?

Because gays are bad for kids? Even if that's true (I'm not convinced), so are abusive or negligent straight parents. Are you planning to also call for annulling the marriages of abusive straight parents?

Because "marriage" is a religious word that teh ghey are trying to steal? My marriage license says "marriage license" and was issued by the Jefferson County Clerk and Recorder, not previously known to me to be a church.

Because letting gays marry will "destroy" the instittution of marriage? How would that work?

Or, if there's another reason, I must have missed it.

First, I never said what my belief is. Second, proof read. Hard to read with all the misspellings. Third, it's a moral issue. Some people's morals are its bad and some don't have issues with it. Fourth, a marriage license in the hands of the government was created back in slavery days here. Our government didnt want races mixing, so they made the license. Have to apply. If you were an inter racial couple, you were denied. It's in history books. Fifth, adoption here is retarded. That's why so many people are going out of the country.

Many parts of the world still have child marriages where the bride is usually child. That is their culture. So if those people from that culture live here, should we allow them to marry child brides?

[Madeinhb]

Then why are we having this discussion?

Because teh ghey is unnatural? So is walking upright, wiping my ass with paper instead of bare hands, or being able to pick up the phone and having someone bring my fat ass some pizza. Give me unnatural hygiene and convenience food any day.

Because "they" (whoever "they" are) will want to marry their horses or their restaurant-grade kitchen mixers next? Why is it that only the anti-ghey-marriage people ever bring that up? Has anybody (other than the occasional attention whore who gets written up in News of the Weird) ever actually tried that?

Because if we let teh ghey adopt each others kids, then the polygamists will want to as well? Even if, so what? The more people who adopt, the more who are on the hook for taking care of the kids, and the less that the government ends up either raising or paying for them.

Because teh ghey is icky? Damn straight. Gay dudes are gross and lesbians in real life are never like the lesbians on the internet. Even if, so what?

Because teh ghey want to get out of paying estate taxes for inheriting each other's stuff? Can you blame them?

Because gays are bad for kids? Even if that's true (I'm not convinced), so are abusive or negligent straight parents. Are you planning to also call for annulling the marriages of abusive straight parents?

Because "marriage" is a religious word that teh ghey are trying to steal? My marriage license says "marriage license" and was issued by the Jefferson County Clerk and Recorder, not previously known to me to be a church.

Because letting gays marry will "destroy" the instittution of marriage? How would that work?

Or, if there's another reason, I must have missed it.

This country is so worried about people offending someone. People being discriminated against because a business wouldn't sell to them. The list goes on. My opinion is that everyone should be allowed to live how they want. If Michael Vick wants to have dog fights, let him. After all, it's not affecting you. Someone wants to do drugs in their house and doesn't go out to endanger others, it's not affecting you. But the problem is that people want to tell others what's right and wrong based on morals. But then they get pissed when its done back to them.

[spyder]

There are so many hypocrites on this site, it isn't even funny.... You get all fussy when a lib says anything bad about your "rights", but then you have the nerve to get all offended by what others are doing, that does you no harm... You should feel ashamed. If you say it is your religious belief, your religious belief says that you should not be the one to judge... Or, do you pick and choose what rules to live by? Now, I'm not in favor of this, but I'm not against it either... This shit is exactly that. However, I don't want people saying that because my guns scare them, or are against their beliefs, that I shouldn't be able to have them. Most, if not all of us on this site share in that last statement, but I seem to see a lot of people that want to trample on others beliefs because of their "feelings". That's plain and simple bullshit. Pull you damn heads out of your asses, or stop bitching about all of the crap that the dems and libs are trying to pull. You guys sound like liberals, plain and simple, and are treating others, like they treat us (liberals to gun owners). Get over it.