DHS checkpoint refuals,lol

[BuffCyclist]

It is NOT an extension of your home in CO

Really? I thought you could conceal carry in CO in your car without a license...hmm, oh well. Either way, I have my CCL and live in NM so it doesn't apply to me but thanks for correcting that if its true.

[battle_sight_zero]

It is NOT an extension of your home in CO

It is pretty darn close http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...zGGp4Jl6PFobTQ

[Wulf202]

Really? I thought you could conceal carry in CO in your car without a license...hmm, oh well. Either way, I have my CCL and live in NM so it doesn't apply to me but thanks for correcting that if its true.

That's completely true, there's a separate law allowing that. You can also carry on any property you have permission.

It is pretty darn close http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...zGGp4Jl6PFobTQ

castle doctrine doesn't apply, not even close.

[sturn18]

True, its a question standoff. Neither person wants to answer the others' question or they'll show weakness. But the DHS/BP agent has a gun...

Lots of people have guns, presumably we are all bound by the rules of law though. And it's not about showing weakness. If the agent had answered truthfully, that the motorist was not being detained, he knew that the guy would have just driven off.

[battle_sight_zero]

I did not quote castle doctrine. My link is from the Denver Bar Association that includes tips if you are contacted by police. Never consent to a search never. Be polite and respectful to the officer but do not consent. I feel they gave some good advice and dont see a problem with it http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...zGGp4Jl6PFobTQ


I agree with the point, always be respectful of authority but if you know your right dont bend to it.

[Irving]

Really? I thought you could conceal carry in CO in your car without a license...hmm, oh well. Either way, I have my CCL and live in NM so it doesn't apply to me but thanks for correcting that if its true.

You can carry without a CCW in Colorado, but not because your vehicle is an extension of your home.

[HoneyBadger]

So this just about sums things up:

[Wulf202]

I did not quote castle doctrine.

I agree with the point, always be respectful of authority but if you know your right dont bend to it.

I was making a counter point, not a reply on yours. Your point is valid but not relevant to the derailed discussion really relevant to the OP but we're on page 2 so we should be far off tack by now.

[centrarchidae]

From the DUI link from Def90. I do not think there is a time limit set in stone but from reading the above it sounds like they get to ask a few questions and let you move along, if you answer them or not does not matter.

ETA: And i am almost positive you do have to ask if you are being detained and if you are free to go, otherwise it is seen as voluntary.

Usually, a detention on reasonable suspicion (the so-called "Terry Stop") isn't subject to a time limit set in stone. 15 minutes was pretty easy to get, and anything beyond that had to be "reasonable" (there's that word again) in view of the totality of the circumstances.

Introducing an international border into the mix changes things. SCOTUS has held that actions taken in the name of border security within some distance of the border (50 miles rings a bell for me) can be permissible under the 4th Amendment, which would not be allowed to a police officer in Colorado or Nebraska or some other place without an international border. But I don't know if the time limit changes for immigration checkpoints.

[Rabid]

Usually, a detention on reasonable suspicion (the so-called "Terry Stop") isn't subject to a time limit set in stone. 15 minutes was pretty easy to get, and anything beyond that had to be "reasonable" (there's that word again) in view of the totality of the circumstances.

Introducing an international border into the mix changes things. SCOTUS has held that actions taken in the name of border security within some distance of the border (50 miles rings a bell for me) can be permissible under the 4th Amendment, which would not be allowed to a police officer in Colorado or Nebraska or some other place without an international border. But I don't know if the time limit changes for immigration checkpoints.

The way i understand it reasonable suspicion does not fall under immigration or DUI check points. Just because it has been known to happen in an area before does not give reasonable suspicion you are drunk or an illegal alien.

And i did ask a lawyer friend of mine, you need to ask if you are being detained and if you are free to go because if you answer any question it could be seen as a voluntary hold on your rights. Don't the loop holes on your rights make you feel all warm and fuzzy?