Who here believes immigration reform means amnesty?

[roberth]

That you legally don't have to pay anyway.... (no law actually says that you have to pay federal taxes)

You go ahead and don't pay for a few years.

Keep us appraised of your situation.

Maybe we'll send you a care package whilst you while away the hours with your new best friends in the federal penal system.

[roberth]

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Roberth the video is not talking about illegals sucking our system dry, and trust me i am just as appalled as you when it comes to that, it is just countering the idea that these immigrants are granted amnesty with immigration reform. They still have to go through the same process that everyone did before. It just giving more work visas so we can collect taxes on them with a one time chance to do it right, not to mention most will fail to complete the process anyway and be deported.

My interpretation of the video is much harsher than yours.

The intent of the video is to garner support for the poor illegal who almost has to !gasp! pay a whole $1000 for the privilege of attempting to become a citizen.

I read b/t the lines and correctly surmised that the reason the video talks about the fees is because they are attempting to show that the illegals are going to pay their own way, the reality is those fees and taxes will never be paid except by the net tax payers of this country. Most illegals will be net tax receivers for their entire stay in this country, legal or otherwise, simply because they aren't smart enough to do anything except dig ditches and create anchor babies. Illegals will never be the next Bill Gates or Henry Ford or anyone with any ambition beyond capturing the next government handout and the state will happily fill out the paperwork so the illegals won't have to learn English either.

[hatidua]

Who here believes immigration reform means amnesty?

I do.

[CO Hugh]

Why not mine the boarder and post signs. Could send a plane to drop aerial mines.

[sellersm]

You go ahead and don't pay for a few years.

Keep us appraised of your situation.

Maybe we'll send you a care package whilst you while away the hours with your new best friends in the federal penal system.

Doesn't mean it's right, or that there's REAL authority behind why they can do that... Better yet, show us the law that says they can do that.

[Rabid]

My interpretation of the video is much harsher than yours.

The intent of the video is to garner support for the poor illegal who almost has to !gasp! pay a whole $1000 for the privilege of attempting to become a citizen.

I read b/t the lines and correctly surmised that the reason the video talks about the fees is because they are attempting to show that the illegals are going to pay their own way, the reality is those fees and taxes will never be paid except by the net tax payers of this country. Most illegals will be net tax receivers for their entire stay in this country, legal or otherwise, simply because they aren't smart enough to do anything except dig ditches and create anchor babies. Illegals will never be the next Bill Gates or Henry Ford or anyone will any ambition beyond capturing the next government handout and the state will happily fill out the paperwork so the illegals won't have to learn English either.

You have managed to read so far between the lines you are confusing legal with illegal but i guess you have correctly surmised to do that some how. There are many legal immigrants that have contributed to your daily life more then you will ever know and i am not talking about the ones the serve you fast food or maintain the roads, i am talking about the ones the helped build most of the computer, technology and medical industry to name a few but if you are going to throw out Bill Gates and Henry Ford i will give you a few too. Andrew Carnegie, Nikola Tesla, Antonio Meucci and Alexander Graham Bell come to mind.
Let me help you understand legals have to go through the system and have to contribute like the rest of us or they get deported. Just think of how many tax dollars we are missing out on by not giving work visas. Once they are in the system we can weed them out much quicker then if they are here illegally and have no record of them. There is nothing in the bills i have seen tossed around that make it easy for illegals to live here, besides the one time chance to get in the system and risk deportation if they do not contribute. Most will fail to run through the system and depending how they did there is a good chance they will never get a chance to try again.
I am not going to bat for illegals here. I do not want them here getting a free ride and sucking on the system. Personally i think we should be able to uses the illegals for labor to pay off their debts to America before deporting them. If they do it legally, contribute back and can be weeded out at will is not a problem to me.

[roberth]

You have managed to read so far between the lines you are confusing legal with illegal but i guess you have correctly surmised to do that some how. There are many legal immigrants that have contributed to your daily life more then you will ever know and i am not talking about the ones the serve you fast food or maintain the roads, i am talking about the ones the helped build most of the computer, technology and medical industry to name a few but if you are going to throw out Bill Gates and Henry Ford i will give you a few too. come to mind.
Let me help you understand legals have to go through the system and have to contribute like the rest of us or they get deported. Just think of how many tax dollars we are missing out on by not giving work visas. Once they are in the system we can weed them out much quicker then if they are here illegally and have no record of them. There is nothing in the bills i have seen tossed around that make it easy for illegals to live here, besides the one time chance to get in the system and risk deportation if they do not contribute. Most will fail to run through the system and depending how they did there is a good chance they will never get a chance to try again.
I am not going to bat for illegals here. I do not want them here getting a free ride and sucking on the system. Personally i think we should be able to uses the illegals for labor to pay off their debts to America before deporting them. If they do it legally, contribute back and can be weeded out at will is not a problem to me.

Just because it is your thread and you don't have a leg to stand on doesn't mean you can suddenly go back in time and presume that Andrew Carnegie, Nikola Tesla, Antonio Meucci and Alexander Graham Bell were illegal aliens who made good. These were smart and ambitious men with great dreams who assimilated into the American culture, experience and capitalism and realized their dreams.

Today's illegal aliens have no such aspirations and probably cannot even spell dream in English.

[battle_sight_zero]

They still have to go through the same process that everyone did before. It just giving more work visas so we can collect taxes on them with a one time chance to do it right, not to mention most will fail to complete the process anyway and be deported.[/QUOTE]

BULLSHITT AND MORE BULLSHITT, why should breaking the law give these criminals a place in line over a Russian, African etc who is following the rules to get here. All this nonsense about immigration reform is strengthen a democrat party and getting cheap labor. Personally I worry for my kids down the road as they are competing with Jorge and Juanita who broke the law to get here. There are just to many repercussions to allow this garbage to happen. Build the damn fences and sent them back and then they can apply to get here just like the rest of the world has to.

[TFOGGER]

Why not mine the boarder and post sings. Could send a plane to drop aerial mines.

Karaoke has been ruled to be a violation of the Geneva Conventions...

[Ronin13]

BULLSHITT AND MORE BULLSHITT, why should breaking the law give these criminals a place in line over a Russian, African etc who is following the rules to get here. All this nonsense about immigration reform is strengthen a democrat party and getting cheap labor. Personally I worry for my kids down the road as they are competing with Jorge and Juanita who broke the law to get here. There are just to many repercussions to allow this garbage to happen. Build the damn fences and sent them back and then they can apply to get here just like the rest of the world has to.

Actually, they can't come back- because by deporting them they've been charged with being here illegally, thus they have a criminal record and are not welcome to be legal citizens... And I'm totally cool with this. Can't do it right the first time, then don't even bother trying at all.