Zimmerman part 2

[muddywings]

Seriously, who do you think is "stoking" these flames? This board is the first I've seen of any of this.

don't hate the OP or people like me because we're news junkies. Wait for it.....National News in 3....2....1....

Personally, I'm not not gonna shoot someone who has trespassed on my property. I may try and scare the crap out of them, but unless my or my families life is in danger or the trespasser has entered my home I'm gonna do everything possible to them off my property without the use of lethal force. This is me personally.

I'm not going to shoot a 2nd degree trespasser either. Likewise, I'm going revert to LEO training and be yelling "STOP RIGHT THERE, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS." That being said, someone charges me as I'm displaying a firearm then I pull the trigger. Why? Because if they take it, then I'm dead.
I wasn't there but from the little knowledge I have due to the articles I read, it's a good shoot. Don't break into people's property and don't charge people holding you at gun point when you have committed a crime.

I'm thinking that we'll have to agree to disagree with this one though.

[RMAC757]

Like everyone else already stated- this is a clean shoot for the homeowner- kid jumping the fence and trespassing at that hour? My father used to always give out the advice: "Nothing good happens after midnight... Unless it involves a girl and the safety of your home or hers."

Most of us Ronin snuck out of the house at one time or another when we were young so that is kind of a non-issue. I snuck out all the time when i was kid ( this is probably why I ended up in military school ). Admittedly I wasn't an angel, though i never stole anything or vandalized someone's property with the exception of some toilet paper in a tree or two. Maybe times have changed or I lived in an area where no one one would of considered shooting someone at first glance on their property. Parenting isn't up to the kid. I had good parents and i still raised a little hell. The shoot appears to be in the commission of a crime so it was probably legal. I guess we all have a personal threshold on where lethal force is warranted.

[RMAC757]

don't hate the OP or people like me because we're news junkies. Wait for it.....National News in 3....2....1....



I'm not going to shoot a 2nd degree trespasser either. Likewise, I'm going revert to LEO training and be yelling "STOP RIGHT THERE, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS." That being said, someone charges me as I'm displaying a firearm then I pull the trigger. Why? Because if they take it, then I'm dead.
I wasn't there but from the little knowledge I have due to the articles I read, it's a good shoot. Don't break into people's property and don't charge people holding you at gun point when you have committed a crime.

I'm thinking that we'll have to agree to disagree with this one though.

C'mon man. I'm not hating anyone. If you disagree with the National news though, why are you reading it? Muddy, if someone charges me holding a firearm, I'm not gonna throw it at them. The result would most likely end up the same both of our scenarios. There's a pretty big gap between someone being on your property and someone charging a person with a loaded firearm.

[muddywings]

C'mon man. I'm not hating anyone. If you disagree with the National news though, why are you reading it? Muddy, if someone charges me holding a firearm, I'm not gonna throw it at them. The result would most likely end up the same both of our scenarios. There's a pretty big gap between someone being on your property and someone charging a person with a loaded firearm.

the word "hate" was supposed to be given with a slight humorous tone...such as, "don't hate the playa" (internet humor fail on my part-my bad)
As for "national news," I read everything: NBC, CNN, FOX. They are all BS. You gotta read them all plus others, just so you can figure out the truth from their BS.
I thought I had read elsewhere that the kid "charged." Couldn't quickly find it above but for some reason i thought I read that. Will have to look later. If he didn't come at the homeowner, the homeowner is going to have more problems.

[RMAC757]

the word "hate" was supposed to be given with a slight humorous tone...such as, "don't hate the playa"
As for "national news," I read everything: NBC, CNN, FOX. They are all BS. You gotta read them all plus others, just so you can figure out the truth from their BS.
I thought I had read elsewhere that the kid "charged." Couldn't quickly find it above but for some reason i thought I read that. Will have to look later. If he didn't come at the homeowner, the homeowner is going to have more problems.

[Chad4000]

yeah I thought on your property meant on your property... inside the house or not...

ya know,, theres a simple fuckin solution here... quit breaking into peoples houses...q

[Inconel710]

One more reason "bumps in the night" have to be answered by a gun in one hand and a FLASHLIGHT in the other. While this may be a legal shoot, I wouldn't call it "good". Even if the homeowner doesn't go to jail, he'll get slapped with a civil suit. Win or lose, his life is still going to be ruined (like Zimmerman's).

[RMAC757]

yeah I thought on your property meant on your property... inside the house or not...

ya know,, theres a simple fuckin solution here... quit breaking into peoples houses...q

I'm not disagreeing with you at all Chad. Just stating that life isn't always that linear. If a person can live with their decision and is comfortable with that degree of force escalation than so be it.

[Ronin13]

One more reason "bumps in the night" have to be answered by a gun in one hand and a FLASHLIGHT in the other. While this may be a legal shoot, I wouldn't call it "good". Even if the homeowner doesn't go to jail, he'll get slapped with a civil suit. Win or lose, his life is still going to be ruined (like Zimmerman's).

Had this happen last night- heard a loud crash on the back deck, grabbed the Sig and my Surefire, met the brother at the back door, went outside to see what was what- planned that if I confronted someone brother would call 911 and I'd hold them there. Turned out to be a chair that fell over on our deck (not sure how, but it was resting on the railing and toppled).

[spyder]

If the laws were more stringent, less shit would happen. You don't see many people screwing with each other in Arizona (or hear about it anyway)... wonder why? Oh ya, because in AZ, if you screw with someone, you can get your ass shot. I wish the laws were more open everywhere.