someone killed at rampart range.

[sniper7]

People also get killed at indoor ranges, or outdoor ranges with an officer. Stupid people will not stop shooting, no matter what is closed down, so why would you want this place to shut down? it is another place people can enjoy shooting. it is one accident out of how many years?

everyone says don't punish gun owners for criminals mistakes, so why are you wanting to punish shooters for a mistake?

I feel bad for the family and for the guy it happened to, but closing the place isn't the answer IMO.

[Pancho Villa]

Its a big "problem of the commons" question. The place is maintained and owned by the government, acting (supposedly) as an agent of everyone. An owner (rightfully) takes some concern with the goings-on of his property, even (or especially) those open to the public.

If the forest was owned by a private organization, no biggie - what the owner says, goes, and everyone who contributes to that organization is free to leave it if they don't like it.

Problem with govt-owned land is that we are forced to contribute, whether we like it or not - so now you have two constituencies, each being forced to pay into the common pot that maintains (or bought in the first place) the land/govt dept that oversees the land. One says "Close it down!" the other says "Keep it open!" And no matter what the govt does in this case they have wronged one or the other set of people - because, unlike with private organizations, you can't just say "fuck it" and stop paying whatever portion of your taxes go to the forest service.

I am all for keeping it open, but I also recognize that the forest service (or whoever maintains the area) is in a bad situation. Its one of the no-win situations that govt is very good at making.

[Danceswithwires]

I never even knew there was a range up there but it sounds a lot like shooting in the canyons in Southern California which were just a mess both in terms of gun safety and just tons of trash. I went a second time but just had to say no after that.
Rampart also has a rep as far as us quad riders go, I've known several who have been injured up there, I'll stick to the dunes. Saw my therapist today he knew both the guys involved, the two of them were long time friends, the guy who got shot was married, just sad. My condolences to both family's

[Circuits]

Ben Lomand Gun Club isn't that far from CO Springs and is pretty cheap and there is no waiting list right now (not for long at the rate we are getting members).

PM me if you want the info.

I could never do BLGC, since I'm primarily a full auto shooter. But I stopped going to rampart solo since I don't want to share a range with gangstas when i've got 30k in transferrables in my car.

[RRD3]

I could never do BLGC, since I'm primarily a full auto shooter. But I stopped going to rampart solo since I don't want to share a range with gangstas when i've got 30k in transferrables in my car.

I think the 30k's should be able to fend off those in the hills

Kidding of course. The only time i went up there I bought some of my better toys to play with. There was probably 20 or so people there and it was a nightmare. Right side of the range called a cold range while the left side continued shooting. That was bad enough, but got worse when some douche on the left side shooting a Rugger 22LR started shooting across the ranges at something he wanted to try and hit on the right side. He said he did not know that people were walking out there to set up targets.

After I chewed his ass out, I packed up and left and have not been back since.

I think it should remain open and if need be, more visits by the forest service to keep some sense of control out there.

[10x]

There are a number of uncontrolled intersections in Colo. Springs where there have been traffic deaths. Negligence again. That does not mean that we shut down the street.

I agree the range can be dangerous. I usually go early in the morning and on week days when I can to avoid the crowd.

[DeltaKilo]

Well, I got notice this morning that the DNR has shut down the range and will be blocking it off with barbed wire and concrete. They're not sure for how long.

[DeadElephant]

Never been to Rampart.
Tragic to see this happen to a young man.

[DeltaKilo]

KKTV link:

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/51308467.html

[Hoser]

And the range is getting closed...