Repeal the 19th Amendment

[ringhilt]

If you want to have a serious discussion about who gets to vote, forget about owning land, forget about any religious principles. The right to vote should come down to who has responsibilities in society and who does not.
Men have rightfully earned their right to vote by being productive members of society who also have obligations to society. Women were given their right to vote without any obligations to society. Men are required (by law and social convention) to man up and take care of their spouse and/or any children they father. Women do not have this mandatory obligation. Women have options. Their body, their choice. Men are required by law to register for the draft at age 18. Women are not. Men get drafted during war time, women do not. Women have options. This is not to say women do not contribute greatly to society. They do. But, women simply do not have the same obligations and responsibilities as men. Society bends over backwards to help women at every turn with affirmative action, shelters, job assistance. Even social convention says we are required to help women. Its women and children first. When the Titanic went down and there were not enough life boats. Who were the majority of deaths? Men.

When women cowgirl up and take on the same responsibilities and obligations as men, then absolutely YES, give them the right to vote. I know and work with many women that will make smart choices and provide a different viewpoint from my own. The feminine side of things. But women need to have skin in the game just as men do in order to vote.

I would even extend this to those who are on public assistance. For the year(s) you are on public assistance you do not get to vote at all. When you get off public assistance, you get your right to vote back. why you may ask? Well if you are on public assistance what are you going to vote for? More money from the public treasury.
If we restricted voting to those who have responsibilities and obligations to society we wouldn't have so much of this bleeding heart liberal crap. Those with skin in the game will carefully consider their votes and what direction they steer the country. Those who receive largess from the government dole will invariably vote for more largess from the government. And once they outnumber the productive class, it is a death spiral into oblivion.
And we might just be there already.

My $1.02 worth.

[Rucker61]

If you want to have a serious discussion about who gets to vote, forget about owning land, forget about any religious principles. The right to vote should come down to who has responsibilities in society and who does not.
Men have rightfully earned their right to vote by being productive members of society who also have obligations to society. Women were given their right to vote without any obligations to society. Men are required (by law and social convention) to man up and take care of their spouse and/or any children they father. Women do not have this mandatory obligation. Women have options. Their body, their choice. Men are required by law to register for the draft at age 18. Women are not. Men get drafted during war time, women do not. Women have options. This is not to say women do not contribute greatly to society. They do. But, women simply do not have the same obligations and responsibilities as men. Society bends over backwards to help women at every turn with affirmative action, shelters, job assistance. Even social convention says we are required to help women. Its women and children first. When the Titanic went down and there were not enough life boats. Who were the majority of deaths? Men.

When women cowgirl up and take on the same responsibilities and obligations as men, then absolutely YES, give them the right to vote. I know and work with many women that will make smart choices and provide a different viewpoint from my own. The feminine side of things. But women need to have skin in the game just as men do in order to vote.

I would even extend this to those who are on public assistance. For the year(s) you are on public assistance you do not get to vote at all. When you get off public assistance, you get your right to vote back. why you may ask? Well if you are on public assistance what are you going to vote for? More money from the public treasury.
If we restricted voting to those who have responsibilities and obligations to society we wouldn't have so much of this bleeding heart liberal crap. Those with skin in the game will carefully consider their votes and what direction they steer the country. Those who receive largess from the government dole will invariably vote for more largess from the government. And once they outnumber the productive class, it is a death spiral into oblivion.
And we might just be there already.

My $1.02 worth.

Jerry Pournelle, science fiction writer, stated it more simply: if you pay taxes, you vote.