Ban the Pladge of Allegiance

[Kraven251]

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a second...(not trying to piss anyone off, just more posing this question for discussion purposes):

Is it possible to love America and being an American...without wanting to "pledge allegiance"? It could seem statist to pledge allegiance to a country unless you are in the military.

Just curious about everyone's thoughts.

We are all the militia.

[ZERO THEORY]

the "under God" portion wasnt added until 1954. Before that it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

I have no problem with going back to that. God doesn't belong in the pledge. The pledge still belongs in school.

Bang on, mate. The indoctrination of Abrahamic religion is as bad as that of the liberal agenda in my opinion. However, I am all for the original pledge.

[Inconel710]

Fun facts about the history of the Pledge. It was written by Frances Bellamy to sell US flags to schools in the 1890s. He was also a Christian Socialist and a Nationalist. I'm OK, with my kid saying the pledge, but never forget it is a form of indoctrination. It's still up to us to ensure the kids get the indoctrination we approve of (love of country versus blind obedience).

[mtnhack]

the "under God" portion wasnt added until 1954. Before that it read: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all." I have no problem with going back to that. God doesn't belong in the pledge. The pledge still belongs in school.

amen

[Squeeze]

HE'S talking mandatory spanish because 50% [ easy] are unable to SPEAK ENGLISH. SO the education system insist the country where English is the primary language ( for now) students learn a different one. Because assimilating in to American culture will never happen.

Myself ,ANY opportunity to learn another language is beneficial in many ways. However don't do it for PC reasons.

^^^This.

[ZERO THEORY]

Fun facts about the history of the Pledge. It was written by Frances Bellamy to sell US flags to schools in the 1890s. He was also a Christian Socialist and a Nationalist. I'm OK, with my kid saying the pledge, but never forget it is a form of indoctrination. It's still up to us to ensure the kids get the indoctrination we approve of (love of country versus blind obedience).

This is an excellent point, although I don't find the pledge to be jingoist or nationalist, so I'm good with it, sans religious declarations.

[centrarchidae]

Better you than me. I wouldn't trust any indoctrination instrument written by a socialist.

This is an excellent point, although I don't find the pledge to be jingoist or nationalist, so I'm good with it, sans religious declarations.

[Gmans-Wife]

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a second...(not trying to piss anyone off, just more posing this question for discussion purposes):

Is it possible to love America and being an American...without wanting to "pledge allegiance"? It could seem statist to pledge allegiance to a country unless you are in the military.

Just curious about everyone's thoughts.

To become a citizen I had to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands etc. If that is required to become a citizen, why shouldn't people born as citizens state the pledge as well. To me, If you really want to be a citizen of a country, you should have allegiance to it. Not blind allegiance to the government. Allegiance, in the case of the USA, to the republic, which includes the constitution and it's amendments, which the line "with liberty and justice for all" references.

[Gman]

I don't have a problem with "under God". It's the version we used as I was growing up. I get the feeling that some folks want to revise the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution to remove any references of a creator or God. Separation of church and state has nothing to do with the absolute removal of any reference that may or may not be religious that may offend an individual. Unless the state is forming or endorsing a specific religion, I'm fine with it.

It's part of our history. Get over yourselves. We have freedom of expression and that means that you don't have a freedom from possibly being offended. Some folks are just looking for ways to be offended.

You are not required to say the pledge, so if you don't agree with it, don't participate.

[Great-Kazoo]

To become a citizen I had to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands etc. If that is required to become a citizen, why shouldn't people born as citizens state the pledge as well. To me, If you really want to be a citizen of a country, you should have allegiance to it. Not blind allegiance to the government. Allegiance, in the case of the USA, to the republic, which includes the constitution and it's amendments, which the line "with liberty and justice for all" references.

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