NFA Cleo rules change

[10mm-man]

As some are aware there is a possible rules change coming. I have posted this link: http://blog.princelaw.com/2013/09/01...g-information/ which has some information and form letters to be sent to your reps and cleo. Please don't move this to NFA as it impacts us all, now or in the future.

National Firearms Act Day of Reckoning Information

As our viewers are aware, Firearm Industry Consulting Group (FICG), a division of Prince Law Offices, P.C., has declared Tuesday, September 3, 2013, as National Firearms Act (NFA) Day of Reckoning in in response to the recent proposal by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to implement Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) signatures for fictitious entity applicants, as well as, instituting a Responsible Person (RP) definition applicable to the different roles within those fictitious entities.
In effort to assist the NFA community, FICG has prepared several sample letters to be submitted to your State and Federal Representatives, as well as a sample letter for Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to submit to the US Small Business Administration. While you may believe this is strictly a federal issue, since it involves the National Firearms Act, as amended, the reality is that, if passed, this will result in a massive impact on state CLEOs, which will now have to reviewmultiple applications for making or transferring an NFA firearm, as each RP of the fictitious entity will be required to obtain his/her CLEO’s signature. Therefore, all state legislatures must be informed and aware of the impact on their state from this proposed rule.

[merl]

The question is, Is the 90 day review process real? Is the decision already made and feedback as useful as the presidential petitions?

[asmo]

The question is, Is the 90 day review process real? Is the decision already made and feedback as useful as the presidential petitions?

The ATF doesn't listen and will move forward on this no matter what, especially with their new Director. However, having opposition to the change registered and counted makes the process to get it fixed much much easier.

[merl]

The ATF doesn't listen and will move forward on this no matter what, especially with their new Director. However, having opposition to the change registered and counted makes the process to get it fixed much much easier.

Not if fixing it requires getting through the house, senate and a signature. I see the only 'use' being a group of people in DC with a pool going for how many of each style of feedback.

[cfortune]

Living in Adam's county, this is bad news for me. I just committed to buying a can on a trust in hope of getting my application in before any changes. Crossing my fingers that they don't make people re-submit.

[ANADRILL]

Living in Adam's county, this is bad news for me. I just committed to buying a can on a trust in hope of getting my application in before any changes. Crossing my fingers that they don't make people re-submit.

Same here... fucking sucks...

[spyder]

WTF did I just try to read? Someone help me out here and explain it me in simple terms. I might be a little tipsy at the moment, or drunk depending onmyour definition or whatever... anyway, someone....... it"s going to be harder to do shit soon but why?

[cfortune]

WTF did I just try to read? Someone help me out here and explain it me in simple terms. I might be a little tipsy at the moment, or drunk depending onmyour definition or whatever... anyway, someone....... it"s going to be harder to do shit soon but why?

From my own research, a group of NFA enthusiasts created a petition on Oblowme's "change.org" or whatever trying to get rid of the CLEO sign off. Well, the petition grabbed the attention of that ass clown and he gave an order to have the rules changed so corporations and trusts now need CLEO signoff in exchange for changing the wording of the CLEO signoff form. The new wording would make it so CLEOs wouldn't feel like they're liable for mis-use of an NFA item they gave the go-ahead for. The problem with this is that liability isn't the real reason a lot of CLEOs won't sign, it's because they don't support our rights. Nothing has changed yet as far as I'm aware and there will be a 90 day open comment period prior to any change being made.

For people like me, who live in a county where the CLEO won't sign off, a trust or a corporation will no longer be a viable option.



I did however read elsewhere that the ATF will also accept sign off from other officials, such as the DA. Which, I'm not sure I've heard of anyone trying this, may give some hope.

[Steps]

That is ridiculous.

All of us in Adams County are going to have a hard time according to my interpretation. Grrr

[10mm-man]

WTF did I just try to read? Someone help me out here and explain it me in simple terms. I might be a little tipsy at the moment, or drunk depending onmyour definition or whatever... anyway, someone....... it"s going to be harder to do shit soon but why?

Basically corporations and trust will need the CLEO sign off, as well as fingerprints and picture of responsible party. From what I understand everything required for individual will also apply to trust/corporations.