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I have been there and pulling out is not an option.
The cost of the war is high, but if we pull out it will be higher. And you will feel it here at home.
You know I like my coffee sweet in the morning
and I'm crazy about my tea at night
This is the laconic version of what I said.Originally Posted by Hoser
I've been there I actually liked it there for some odd reason but all I can tell you from what i saw with my own eyes is that we lost this war already. From higher shit is rolling down hill quick and morale is low all i could think about was "The art of war" fighting over there and the disadvantages we had. Besides enemy casualties greatly exaggerated shit most of the time we didn't know what we were shooting at. We would call in all sorts of support from cobras to 2000 pounders and they still kept shooting. If you spend the kind of money like we did to take a measly little village we won't have enough for the whole country period. And i would say more than 50% is controlled by the Taliban. When you take in to account what sun tzu said you can see what i mean.
Btw I'd love to fight some islamic warriors over here in the Rockies. Shit my own weapons, tactics, no shaving and i don't have to take shit from a dumb ass LT or Ssgt
I can not imagine anything worse.
You know I like my coffee sweet in the morning
and I'm crazy about my tea at night
+1000 I couldn't agree more Hoser
Exactly. Personally, I believe this is one of the central tenets for invading Iraq. Aside from the fact Hussein was a dictatorial douchebag, Iraq is a relatively easy country (when compared to lots of other places like, oh, Afghanistan) in which to conduct a war. The idea that a war against the Islamic homeland will attract defenders from far and wide makes sense. Get them into Iraq and kill them. We've been extremely successful in doing that up until this year. The Patraeus strategy of winning over the hearts and minds of the locals worked brilliantly after he was given the resources to do it. It didn't take long, once we adopted a strategy of actually showing the locals we were the good guys and concerned about them, to win them over and begin defeating al Queda at every turn. Of course, it didn't hurt that the al Queda shitheads continued to murder, plunder, indescriminantly kill non-combatants, blow up mosques, etc... But that was the idea.
The same can be accomplished in Afghanistan...if we had leadership in DC that would make the decision to allow it to happen. It's going to take more resources and commitment than has thus far been shown to make that happen. Barack Obama knows nothing about warfare, has surrounded himself with people who know nothing about warfare, and is fundamentally opposed to what the US is trying to accomplish "over there". Gen MacChrystal has tried, in vain apparently, to educate and advise Obama about this very fact. Obama is a stubborn man and is too ignorant to want to take advice from the very military man he's placed in charge and from whom he's asked advice on prosecuting the war.
This presidency is a disaster. This president, if he delays much longer, will be forced to withdraw from Afghanistan which will quicken a pending disaster. All that has been won and/or gained in the area will quickly be lost.
We need more troops in Afghanistan, in significant numbers (at least the 40k MacChrystal has asked for) and we need them now. We need our president to show some backbone for a change and we need him to make a decision.."shit or get off the pot", as the old saying goes. And we need a president committed to providing our warriors with the resources, both on the ground and in the air to properly support them.
The shortsighted and illogical suggestion of leaving Afghanistan now is exactly the wrong thing to do.
If that happens, omio, you may - God forbid - get your wish. But you should realize one thing. It won't be you fighting them...it will be unarmed and helpless citizens in office buildings, children in schools, patients in hospitals and other innocents that can't protect themselves bearing the brunt of the onslaught.
I was in iraq too... mostly fighting Sunni insurgents see I am pretty pissed at what happened there with the "Awakening" bullshit. The highers idea of awakening was giving all the fighters and their stupid fucking sheiks of fucks that where blowing us the fuck up with IEDs IRLs and RPGs around every corner and give them lots of money and more guns to patrol the streets of ramadi and just like that we "won" it makes me extremely angry that the same people that killed my brothers are our friends now some how... But i guess if it makes Americans feel safer at home I guess we did the job...
Well, I've never been there. I don't feel that I'm really entitled to have an opinion, except to say Thank you to all of our servicemen/women who have fought over there to protect the rest of us from anything like 9/11/01 from happening again..
Thank you, all of you...
Truth.
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