Private party sales question

[cysoto]

You have to go to an FFL that is willing to do private transfers, fill out all the same paperwork as if you were buying from their stock and pay the $10 state tax on transfers plus whatever the FFL charges. That can be anywhere from $15-50. Once you pass the BGC you give the money to the seller and take possession of the firearm.

Dave,

The law is very specific as to what an FFL holder can charge to facilitate the sale between private individuals. They can charge $10 for the CBI background check fee and up to another $10 for facilitating the transfer. Charging anything above $20 for person to person transfers is not allowed under the current Colorado law (this is not to say that it is not being done).


C.R.S. § 18-12-112(2)(d) - A licensed gun dealer may charge a fee for services rendered pursuant to this section, which fee shall not exceed ten dollars.

[hurley842002]

Dave,

The law is very specific as to what an FFL holder can charge to facilitate the sale between private individuals. They can charge $10 for the CBI background check fee and up to another $10 for facilitating the transfer. Charging anything above $20 for person to person transfers is not allowed under the current Colorado law (this is not to say that it is not being done).


C.R.S. § 18-12-112(2)(d) - A licensed gun dealer may charge a fee for services rendered pursuant to this section, which fee shall not exceed ten dollars.

Pretty sure the last two FFL 's I did private party transfers with charged $25 + $10 for CBI.

[cysoto]

Pretty sure the last two FFL 's I did private party transfers with charged $25 + $10 for CBI.

Oh, I don't doubt you for a second.

There has been a lot of confusion about how these new laws are written but, this particular one is pretty clear when it says how much an FFL holder can charge for a P-to-P transfer. If these companies are charging more than the stipulated price, they are not following what the law says.

[Busta Prima]

There is a lot of confusion for sure. My friend who is an FFL said he's boycotting them because he thought he could only charge $10, period. I checked here and read where it was $10 for the transfer fee and WHATEVER the FFL wanted for the BCG fee. Now this is a THIRD interpretation. We've got to get this fixed and I don't mean in the next election.

[Brian]

For Bunny -

Related link, if you haven't seen it. I'll try to look back over it and see if there's anything out of date, but I don't believe we've had any add'l guidance from ATF in a while. It's worth noting that CBI and the FBI do not always appear to be 100% in sync with how FTF transfers work.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/110807-...transfers-etc)

[Bunny]

For Bunny -

Related link, if you haven't seen it. I'll try to look back over it and see if there's anything out of date, but I don't believe we've had any add'l guidance from ATF in a while. It's worth noting that CBI and the FBI do not always appear to be 100% in sync with how FTF transfers work.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/110807-...transfers-etc)

Thanks Ill read through that. Hope I didnt offend anyone about buying a gun? I didnt even know there was a trading post.... I wasnt trying to "solicict a gun" I was just merely asking a question. A little confused lol

[Brian]

Thanks Ill read through that. Hope I didnt offend anyone about buying a gun? I didnt even know there was a trading post.... I wasnt trying to "solicict a gun" I was just merely asking a question. A little confused lol

Don't worry, everyone was new at one point. Welcome to the board, and have fun learning and complaining with the rest of us.

[Brian]

Oh, I don't doubt you for a second.

There has been a lot of confusion about how these new laws are written but, this particular one is pretty clear when it says how much an FFL holder can charge for a P-to-P transfer. If these companies are charging more than the stipulated price, they are not following what the law says.

While I get your point, I would argue the law is anything but clear. Which portion of the $25 that hurley was charged was the "services rendered pursuant to this section", and which part was for the appointment itself, facilities improvement fee, expert labor upcharge, beverage replenishment fund, etc? It's left to the FFL to interpret, and who knows what/if there are any penalties if you get it wrong. Some choose to stick to a hard $10, some choose to ignore or dance around it, some (most?) just decided not to bother and refuse to do FTF transfers.

Ugh, I thought I was over this stupid crap.

(d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN
DOLLARS.

[cysoto]

While I get your point, I would argue the law is anything but clear. Which portion of the $25 that hurley was charged was the "services rendered pursuant to this section", and which part was for the appointment itself, facilities improvement fee, expert labor upcharge, beverage replenishment fund, etc? It's left to the FFL to interpret, and who knows what/if there are any penalties if you get it wrong. Some choose to stick to a hard $10, some choose to ignore or dance around it, some (most?) just decided not to bother and refuse to do FTF transfers.

Ugh, I thought I was over this stupid crap.

(d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN
DOLLARS.

I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Trust me when I tell you that I do not agree with this imposition that the State of Colorado has put upon its citizens. However, all these fees that you mentioned above are... for lack of a better term, bullshit fees. The law is VERY specific (and, if you call CBI, they will be happy to explain it to you) as to how what the maximum charge is.