Douglas Co Sheriff Weaver and ATF 41P

[Hound]

Until the rules come out this is just rumor but 'they' are saying that with the new changes the ATF may make to the NFA trust laws due to the latest executive orders is to change the wording and make it so CLEO's don't have and excuse to not sign assuming normal background issues are in order.

[Circuits]

Just because the sheriff won't sign doesn't mean you can't have it - there are MANY other valid signers.

US Attorneys
DAs
Judges
State Police commanders/captains
City PD Chief
Town Chief Marshal
and a bunch of others...

[lowbeyond]

Weaver, who personally owns several NFA items, says 'Civilians don't need those - what would happen if they were stolen?'

I have been around and around with him multiple times.

ah and there is the reason.

he is a giant dick head

[Ronin13]

Then he is saying that HE don't need them either, BECAUSE LEO's ARE CIVILIANS!

THIS! "It is near impossible to police the community if you are not a member of the community." -Sir Robert Peel.

[Ranger353]

Spot on. Too many Chiefs and Sheriffs forget that small tidbit after they are in office for a few years.

[Samurai]

Until the rules come out this is just rumor but 'they' are saying that with the new changes the ATF may make to the NFA trust laws due to the latest executive orders is to change the wording and make it so CLEO's don't have and excuse to not sign assuming normal background issues are in order.

Unfortunately I can't find myself trusting the ATF and bama's executive order, they want to make it as difficult as possible for us to get NFA items. I still don't think if 41P went into effect that Weaver would sign the forms...

[Samurai]

Just because the sheriff won't sign doesn't mean you can't have it - there are MANY other valid signers.

US Attorneys
DAs
Judges
State Police commanders/captains
City PD Chief
Town Chief Marshal
and a bunch of others...

I have never heard this before, where did you hear this? If it is true, who would actually sign off on it?

I already have an LLC but would like to know just in case...

[Hound]

Unfortunately I can't find myself trusting the ATF and bama's executive order, they want to make it as difficult as possible for us to get NFA items. I still don't think if 41P went into effect that Weaver would sign the forms...

I unfortunately can't disagree but still hope for the best.

[asmo]

Until the rules come out this is just rumor but 'they' are saying that with the new changes the ATF may make to the NFA trust laws due to the latest executive orders is to change the wording and make it so CLEO's don't have and excuse to not sign assuming normal background issues are in order.

That was the original 'trade' - people give up the trusts/llcs/etc and CLEOs are no longer required to 'sign' (just proof of notification). However, the ATF has backed off on the CLEO part (after they had a 'deal' with the ASA) - and said they will review that portion "at a later date".

[Circuits]

I have never heard this before, where did you hear this? If it is true, who would actually sign off on it?

I already have an LLC but would like to know just in case...

Does no one ever READ these forms they're filling out, and the instructions that are provided?

Instructions item 2e on the third page of the form 4 itself. Item 2f on the form 1 instructions. Additional examples beyond those specifically stated in the form have been documented in the past, and you may write to the ATF to request a list of additional acceptable persons if you wish.