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    Driving on public roads is not a right, it is a privilege that can be revoked by the state at any time for any reason. (within the standard non-discrimination limits, race, sex, age, etc)

    Yes it is BS but there really is no way to fight it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merl View Post
    Driving on public roads is not a right, it is a privilege that can be revoked by the state at any time for any reason. (within the standard non-discrimination limits, race, sex, age, etc)

    Yes it is BS but there really is no way to fight it.
    Bull! You just choose to be ignorant and accept it, as did I at 16. There are multiple court rulings refuting your assertion. My understanding is that once you give up that right and become licensed, you can no longer make that case. But a person who never applies for a license can fight it and win. There are several who have.

    "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

    "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

    "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

    "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

    "The state cannot diminish rights of the people." Hertado v. California, 110 US 516

    "Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void." Bennett v. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60 U.S. Supreme Court
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCO View Post
    Bull! You just choose to be ignorant and accept it, as did I at 16. There are multiple court rulings refuting your assertion. My understanding is that once you give up that right and become licensed, you can no longer make that case. But a person who never applies for a license can fight it and win. There are several who have.
    Thanks for the attack.

    Good luck with your court case and enjoy your year without a license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merl View Post
    Thanks for the attack.

    Good luck with your court case and enjoy your year without a license.
    Not an attack, just facts. I put myself in the SAME boat with you. I accepted a license, I therefore have no standing. Why would I lose my license for stating facts. That makes no sense at all.
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    now when you go to a checkpoint and they make everyone do the test you will have no choice. period.
    I went and read the laws and such, even talked to some LEO friends, I do not think that is accurate. It might be more expeditious to waive your rights, but the law can not force you to submit without cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCO View Post
    I went and read the laws and such, even talked to some LEO friends, I do not think that is accurate. It might be more expeditious to waive your rights, but the law can not force you to submit without cause.
    You are correct. Having run a couple of DUI checkpoints in the past, there is a very strict standard which has to be followed. You do not have everyone conduct roadsides; there must be some indication of intoxication before that is asked of the driver.
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