Douglas Co Sheriff Weaver and ATF 41P

[Samurai]

You're on a gun forum and worried about a target on your back.

I know what you are trying to do, so just drop it if you have nothing meaningful to contribute to this thread. I do not care what your opinion is at this point, go play in another thread.

Not too mention that they are two different things a face to face would require my full name and personal info including the items I have/want. Posting on a gun forum does not put a target on you, you are under the guise of anonymity. Hence the reason we use handles rather than our full names.

Back to the purpose of this thread I still think it is worth the effort to talk to weaver about this. I just wanted to gain other people's opinions

[XC700116]

I know what you are trying to do, so just drop it if you have nothing meaningful to contribute to this thread. I do not care what your opinion is at this point, go play in another thread.

Not too mention that they are two different things a face to face would require my full name and personal info including the items I have/want. Posting on a gun forum does not put a target on you, you are under the guise of anonymity. Hence the reason we use handles rather than our full names.

Back to the purpose of this thread I still think it is worth the effort to talk to weaver about this. I just wanted to gain other people's opinions

You don't really know how the internet actually works do you.

Then to the point, if you're not willing to go through the effort of doing the legwork should the llc/trust option be shut down, then why are you willing to submit all those forms to the ATF in the first place? And if it is shut down, I guess you'll just have to go without.

[Samurai]

You don't really know how the internet actually works do you.

Then to the point, if you're not willing to go through the effort of doing the legwork should the llc/trust option be shut down, then why are you willing to submit all those forms to the ATF in the first place? And if it is shut down, I guess you'll just have to go without.

As I understood it, it would not effect previous purchases, only future purchases. No?

[XC700116]

As I understood it, it would not effect previous purchases, only future purchases. No?

Correct, it couldn't effect prior purchases. But what you're referring to is if the option for LLC/Trust becomes necessary to receive CLEO signature, then you'd be in a spot where you'd need it for new purchases. In which case you'll need to do one of three things.

1. Go without new purchase NFA items
2. Move to a more NFA friendly county
3. Find a chief in a different branch of LE to sign off that is acceptable to NFA regs. Clearly your Sheriff is out on that one (at least this guy) so you'll have to explore those other options. I'd start by making phone calls using hypothetical questions, ie no specifics. Call or email their offices and ask if they are willing to sign off on the paperwork, worst thing they can say is no.

Also, if one is willing, and has the authority, to sign off on it, the others can't do jack squat about it, no matter if they have all your info or not. After the fact it's a moot point because the BATFE has all the info on it anyway.

[SAnd]

Correct, it couldn't effect prior purchases..
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Why can't it affect prior purchases? Or current purchases?

[Great-Kazoo]

Why can't it affect prior purchases? Or current purchases?

Prior purchase submitted for and approved are already GTG. it would be Future ones after the changes are enacted. Until it becomes "gospel" they cannot require the CLEO sign off on LLC / Trusts. Till then submit away.

[Great-Kazoo]

I know what you are trying to do, so just drop it if you have nothing meaningful to contribute to this thread. I do not care what your opinion is at this point, go play in another thread.

Not too mention that they are two different things a face to face would require my full name and personal info including the items I have/want. Posting on a gun forum does not put a target on you, you are under the guise of anonymity. Hence the reason we use handles rather than our full names.

Back to the purpose of this thread I still think it is worth the effort to talk to weaver about this. I just wanted to gain other people's opinions

I believe some of us gave you our Opinion.

You are asking about a FEDERALLY REGISTERED (yes folks i used registered) ITEM, which requires you to file paperwork in duplicate. WHICH has your full name, address and location on it. You are worried about a face to face with someone that may or may not sign off

This contradicts your Anonymity / FACE TO FACE sentence.

I still think it is worth the effort to talk to weaver about this.

Gotta run time for work.

[Samurai]

I believe some of us gave you our Opinion.

And I appreciated the ones that were relevant to the thread

You are asking about a FEDERALLY REGISTERED (yes folks i used registered) ITEM, which requires you to file paperwork in duplicate. WHICH has your full name, address and location on it. You are worried about a face to face with someone that may or may not sign off

I will try to explain this again, going to a person whom I do not know if they will sign off on the form or not presents them with the option to be able to record my information and deny the form. I have no problem giving it to the NFA and as you said that is a federal registry, however, they WILL approve the form so I do not have to worry about giving my personal info/serial numbers to someone who would deny the form and use it against me. It is purely a privacy thing. That is what I was trying to say.

This contradicts your Anonymity / FACE TO FACE sentence.

This does not contradict what I just stated above to your other point. What I am saying about anonymity of the internet is that my gun information is not attainable. Not a single person on here can tell me what guns I own, if I own suppressors/AOW/SBR/SBS or anything of that nature, to include serial numbers, or the name of an LLC. If you can attain that information based on my posts here, please do.

In short, the primary reason I got defensive was for the fact that I am on many many gun forums and I strongly dislike when a member with a high post count talks down to the new little guy, because his post count somehow makes him superior to the new person. Clearly that is what the others that posted here think, in my mind it doesn't, respect is earned not given and clearly you have earned those guys respect, which is great. The way that some of the others have been replying are not different then when you go to the gun store and talk to the one guy behind the counter who is the ultimate armchair commando and talks down to you because you ask him a question about a gun. I hate that elitist bullshit, so didn't feel like tolerating it. In these times you would think us gun owners would want to stick together and not try to separate the veterans from the N00bs...Believe me I have quite the extensive knowledge about many types of firearms and NFA items...

But I have no problem admitting that i did not call around to judges and DA's in the state simply because Weaver denied all of my forms. I decided the smart thing to do was make an LLC, so that is exactly what I did, now nobody but the NFA and I know what I own. Weaver is a fool...

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I know what you are trying to do, so just drop it if you have nothing meaningful to contribute to this thread. I do not care what your opinion is at this point, go play in another thread.

Not too mention that they are two different things a face to face would require my full name and personal info including the items I have/want. Posting on a gun forum does not put a target on you, you are under the guise of anonymity. Hence the reason we use handles rather than our full names.

Back to the purpose of this thread I still think it is worth the effort to talk to weaver about this. I just wanted to gain other people's opinions

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.