yup. It's annoying and not a good way to win loyal customers.
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yup. It's annoying and not a good way to win loyal customers.
I ran into this while looking for laws about buying hand guns today. At first I thought it applied to private sales, but soon realized it is under the "Dealers" category.
Go here and scroll down to dealers: http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext...&fn=main-h.htm
Then you find these links:
http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext...0#JD_12-26-103
and
http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext...0#JD_12-26-102
They basically require dealers to keep records of who they sell guns to, and they MUST allow law enforcement to view records at anytime. So I know that the state constitution says that no law enforcement agency may keep a list, but what does it matter if all dealers are required to keep such records and give them to law enforcement at request? A law enforcement record would just be redundant.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I think a bill of sale is great for both partys. The seller, if ever contacted by the police after the previously sold gun was used in a crime can effortlessly send the law in the right direction.
Vice versa for the buyer purchasing a gun previously used in a crime.
Without the bill, you may end up having to prove yourself via court, or multiple interrogations and hope you can provide resonable doubt.
they would have to prove motive, let alone disapprove your alibi.Originally Posted by Blubyue
Plus, if you are selling on here there are internet records. you can easily keep a microsoft word list of the guns you bought and sold throughout the years. all you need is the date and the guys phone number. if you have a BOS, that means you have a paper document you have to keep track of. what happens if it is 20 years down the road, 3 moves later and all of a sudden you lost it?
in the end, it is not required by law, it is not constitutional, and if people are doing it already it would be easy for the brady campaign to say it needs to become law. then if you do happen to lose that document, you might go to jail over it. fight for the freedoms you enjoy and exercise them regularly.
How is asking for a BOS unconstitutional?
asking for one isn't. You can ask whoever your selling the gun to for their car keys, address, naked pictures, of their wife, and whatever else you want. I'd imagine you'd get nothing from them, except probably a good right hook to your face.
Asking for a Bill of Sale is not unconstitutional (just stupid, and unecessary). However requiring one by law, is.
You wouldn't have to worry about a stolen or sold gun being traced back to you if the fed didn't require a personal novel about yourself every time you bought one.
Ever thought about that?
I have had it with you sniveling cowards
Oh yes, because if you told the police or a jury that you sold the gun without paperwork they wouldn't believe you, but if you showed them a piece of paper with 'Bill of Sale' written at the top, they would accept it without any question at all. Do you actually know anything about how our legal system works?
You people who live in constant fear of the government knocking on your door need to grow a spine. There is no legal requirement for a bill of sale. Learn how to exercise your legal rights, rather than begging the government on your knees not to bother you because you are a willing informant who will gladly offer any information it wants.
Amen brother, Amen.
Bill of sale makes some people feel a bit better. Really the BOS could be faked, so does it really matter?
When I do transactions, normally offer to show my CWP, so they know I am legit, and its their call on a BOS.
EOW, I think you hit the nail on the head.
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