Poison filled Hollow Points?

[BigBear]

No sir, you don't come across that way. That's just my way of bowing out. Not much else to say. I am hardheaded... I'd actually have to be in the plane to be convinced otherwise, lolol. I do understand the mentality, it's like me saying that you don't need a 30K trumpet in order to play the same music that you can on a 2K trumpet. Yeah, the more expensive one will feel a little better, etc, but iltimately, you should be able to play on the 2K one just as well.

[BigMat]

To think I thought, “there was an 8 page discussion on poison bullets!?...awesome”

As far as explaining this one, that is tricky.

I will give it a go



Treadmill is moving the belt relative to the plane at X speed backwards

Planes wheels, if the plane is stationary, are spinning at X speed

Planes props will push/pull the plane forward at Y speed, (Y would be a range from just starting up to taking off)

Upon the start of the props turning the plane will move forward so long as the wheels free spin and drag of wheels is not involved in the equation.

The wheels will spin at X speed plus Y speed. The plane will only move at Y speed and the treadmill will continue to move backwards at X speed.


The wheels spin faster than the plane is moving


I think I just made it more complicated. Basically the wheels are acting as an intermediary, making it such that the treadmill and the plane body have nothing to do with each other.



In terms of poison bullets, they have the pepper powder paint balls. I could see that being handy in terms of a non-lethal option for cops who don’t want to carry two weapons, just add a special magazine, but you would still have to worry about the bullet casing around the pepper spray splashing everybody upon it impacting the ground.

[Irving]

Are there any documented cases of people being shot with tracer rounds?

[BigBear]

don't know about tracers but I remember hearing about someone getting shot with those theromite (incendiary) rounds. Kids jacking off apparently, "accidently shot" their friend, ended up killing the guy (magnesium burned through cartoriod and the kids were too scared to take him to hospital). Now in jail for manslaughter. ... Think this was in central TX about 5 yrs ago... don't remember much else.

[Irving]

What is the difference between a tracer round and an incendiary round?

[BigBear]

Not quite sure... From what I understand, a tracer is coated in a substance that will "glow" (burn off) during flight allowing you to track it's path. An incendiary round (depending on type) you won't see in flight and is just tipped with a sparking substance (like ash flint) so that when it strikes a hard object, it sparks and can start a fire. There are tons of different type of incendiary rounds. Some that go boom, some that don't.

[BigMat]

Time chemical part burns, if lit by ignition or impact

Chemical used - one to produce light, one to produce high heat and fire

Location of chemical burned, i.e. in the back of the round where visible, or in a charge near the front, used for HE or Ignition.

[Irving]

Thanks for the info.

[Circuits]

Tracer - the back of the bullet is packed with a slow-burning pyrotechnic compound, kinda similar to the guts of a highway road flare. The heat of the burning powder from firing lights off a "starter cap" packed over the compound in the back of the bullet, getting the flare effect started, and the flare compound burns for a couple seconds (both during flight, and after landing)

Incendiary - the nose of the bullet contains an impact-sensitive compound designed to create a hot, short flash of combustion on impact with something hard enough to set it off.

Tracer usually won't light things like fuel tanks on fire, unless it lodges in the tank, still burning, and lights up the fumes. Tracer can start grass fires, or light pools or piles of flammables on fire if it comes to rest nearby the fuel while still burning.

Incendiary is designed to set things on fire, especially when piercing fuel tanks, or impacting flammable materials.

[Troublco]

Good point... the way I would see it. Bullets are designed to kill, whether hunting human or animal. Poison also kills. While it is accepted that bullets kill, the common arguement for self defense is to wound in order to cause the assailant to "cease and desist", not kill them. That's just an accepted happenstance when it happens. If one puts posion on top of a bullet might be considered overkill since it would be said you were intentionally TRYING to kill and thus premeditated? ... I don't know. Sounds good to me.

I was always told that you never shoot to wound. If you fear for your life (or a family member's, or someone else) and the situation is so serious that you have to use a gun, you use it for what it was intended for. If all you do is shoot to wound someone, you must not have been in such desperate straits that a firearm was necessary ("Excessive Force") and your butt is going to get sued big time. Personally, I don't want a live criminal who can sue me later. If they're doing something so serious that I am compelled to use a firearm to defend me or mine, I don't think trying to wound them would be appropriate.

I don't think poison would be necessary if you have proper shot placement.

Gun Control means never having to say you missed.