Friendly reminder about the FFL requirement in the Trading Post

[spleify]

The main point here is CYA. In reality, you can't control much more than that. I would think there would be something that could be added to the script that would post that on every post in that section as a rider. Perhaps I am wrong, I don't know what code you are using. Just trying to help.

Thanks for your help but its not helpful.. its not going to happen, did you read any of this thread or just my first post before you posted. "due diligence" I will say it again so maybe you will read it this time, if WE add it it does nothing, if YOU, the one selling the firearm adds it it shows you are taking some of your own responsibility. Some people only want to think the mods and admins here are just here to be jerks and say mean things and make you do ludicrous things. You know what sometimes it would be nice to actually just cruise the boards like everyone else does. All of this and the fact that I am not going to cater to libs(yes you NYNCO, with your "you need to do everything for me attitude'') means that I started this thread as a "Friendly reminder"

I hope we are all on the same page here now.

Thanks again, your friendly COAR-15 staff.

[Great-Kazoo]

The main point here is CYA. In reality, you can't control much more than that. I would think there would be something that could be added to the script that would post that on every post in that section as a rider. Perhaps I am wrong, I don't know what code you are using. Just trying to help.

There is something that can be added. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!

[nynco]

Honestly, my only thought was how to make the mods life easier. Its not about catering to me at all or anyone else. I can't win around here its attack the lib knee jerk style. I don't even consider myself a lib anymore.

[Monky]

Just a thought, and I don't know what it would require.

But if it was added automatically, when you go to create a post could there be a pop up like on arms list with a disclaimer? Even on a reply a pop up with the state law. If you're going to want members to indemnify the site by stating all laws will be followed, why not force it on the seller and buyer, if they don't agree they can't view/post.


I don't have any guns to sell so I just ask, if it were an option.


I honestly think if someone fails to post it.. Delete the post and let them try till they get it right. I'm sure this along with monitoring the posts would be more work in the long run rather than an enforced agree/disagree. Again I don't know what it would require but it sounds easier total time invested.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

[Great-Kazoo]

Honestly, my only thought was how to make the mods life easier. Its not about catering to me at all or anyone else. I can't win around here its attack the lib knee jerk style. I don't even consider myself a lib anymore.

My specific reply wasn't directed AT you just used for quoting purposes.
WHY does anyone other than the person wanting to sell A FFL /BG required item need to rely on anyone but them self, to ensure all guidelines are followed ?

[nynco]

Sorry Kazoo, it was more directed at Speify. I should have quoted, but I hate to do that when the quote is so long.


My personal default in most things is to make everything as stupid proof as possible. That way it cuts down on the dumb questions or F'ups. I think in this situation, the best course of action is one that provides the most legal cover for the board and the admins. Though I think "J" makes a very valid point. Perhaps there is a mechanism that could be put in place that would do both. Like forcing a person to TYPE something word for word into a box that then gets posted onto the page.

Example: caption above states -Type into box bellow: "Private party transaction, must go through certified FFL before sale or purchase". That is then added to the bottom of the add.

I realize all of this may be coding nightmare. Just bouncing ideas out there. But in this regard it is harder than checking a box and makes them type the correct words before posting. Which should make it stupid proof and cover "J" concerns.

[J]

Just a thought, and I don't know what it would require.

But if it was added automatically, when you go to create a post could there be a pop up like on arms list with a disclaimer? Even on a reply a pop up with the state law. If you're going to want members to indemnify the site by stating all laws will be followed, why not force it on the seller and buyer, if they don't agree they can't view/post.


I don't have any guns to sell so I just ask, if it were an option.


I honestly think if someone fails to post it.. Delete the post and let them try till they get it right. I'm sure this along with monitoring the posts would be more work in the long run rather than an enforced agree/disagree. Again I don't know what it would require but it sounds easier total time invested.


Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.

Thats why we make people post an acknowledgement to the rules thread before they can sell/buy from the TP. Same effect, just less times having to do it.

ALL: Please see my last post to get an idea of the greater picture here as well. While it is due diligence for the site, it also has other reasons which aren't to be overlooked.

[Rucker61]

Yep, this^^.

Gereralmeow I understand your concerns but like Mazin stated feel free to go and deal with folks on Armslist. I'm sure your won't have any problems there.

The fact I have to explain this and defend myself is ridiculous. These are the site rules and they WILL be followed. If a deal goes down and it it goes bad but started here some dem out there will somehow twist it around and say how this site facilitated the sale and now we are responsible for it. Period.

To be frank, I wasn't complaining, just trying to remove the human error chance from the process. The reasoning on keeping the onus on the seller is perfectly reasonable; it's my own memory that isn't.