7 CIA agents killed by double agent

[mutt]

I figure if we nuke every square mile within Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, The Gaza Strip, The West Bank, Somalia, Pakistan and Afghanistan we'd probably stamp out the vast majority of current and future Muslim Fundamentalists. Then we simply tell the remaining nations that if they don't reign in their radical elements, we'll do the same to them...

Of course that would make us the worst mass murderers of all time. In one stroke we'll have desecrated the ideals and sacrifices of our Fore Fathers and spit on the grave every Patriot who has ever died for this nation. We are better than our enemies. We must hold the moral high ground or this struggle is pointless.

Retaliating against a terrorist's family (unless they are accomplices) is morally abhorrent and violates every principle our nation is founded on. We do not kill innocent people.

Killing innocent civilians by indiscriminate bombing is abhorrent. To the comment we did it during WWII, we did only because we had no choice. Unlike now where we can guide a single munition down a ventilation shaft and kill just the bad guys, we had no such capability in WWII. Then the only way to ensure destruction of valid military targets spread throughout a city was to carpet bomb. Had we any other choice, we would have chosen not to kill so many innocents.

As for using the bomb on Japan, that was only done after all other military options were exhausted. Japan was given an ultimatum before we dropped them. Japan chose the path of nuclear destruction. Even then I believe we grudgingly used these weapons after calculating it would result in the fewer casualties (for both sides) versus a full invasion of the Japanese mainland.

And in regards to the original intent of this post, the memory of those agents who died protecting this nation needs to be honored. That memory deserves better than us resorting to same cowardly tactics that took their lives.

[Mtn.man]

At all costs we MUST be politically correct to everyone...

[Elhuero]

Killing innocent civilians by indiscriminate bombing is abhorrent. To the comment we did it during WWII, we did only because we had no choice.

Had we any other choice, we would have chosen not to kill so many innocents.

Wrong.

It was a calculated move to demoralize the enemy and destroy their will to fight.

[Elhuero]

Yep.
Airplaines were the show. The stuff to get the fools hooked on.
This site goes into detail if you're interested. Do your own research. There are so many reasons showing how it was a controoled demolition that I can't even remember them all. Post what you learn if you like.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

pardon my french, but


holy shit. you believe that crap?

you are a doofus.

[mutt]

Wrong.

It was a calculated move to demoralize the enemy and destroy their will to fight.

So you think that if the Allies had the ability to do pinpoint strikes on military and strategic targets in Axis cities, they would still have chosen to destroy civilian areas and such acts would be justifiable?

You and I have very different views of what's morally justifiable.

And if you are just referring to the fire bombing of Dresden, a very controversial series of bombing raids even back then, here's what Air Chief Marshall Arthur Harris had to say about it:

"I ... assume that the view under consideration is something like this: no doubt in the past we were justified in attacking German cities. But to do so was always repugnant and now that the Germans are beaten anyway we can properly abstain from proceeding with these attacks. This is a doctrine to which I could never subscribe. Attacks on cities like any other act of war are intolerable unless they are strategically justified. But they are strategically justified in so far as they tend to shorten the war and preserve the lives of Allied soldiers. To my mind we have absolutely no right to give them up unless it is certain that they will not have this effect. I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier. The feeling, such as there is, over Dresden, could be easily explained by any psychiatrist. It is connected with German bands and Dresden shepherdesses. Actually Dresden was a mass of munitions works, an intact government centre, and a key transportation point to the East. It is now none of these things."

Sounds like the bombings had some very real military value to him.

[theGinsue]

Arab's in peticular think very long term. They have a saying; the son of my son will avenge me. I can only speculate, but this feels to me as a long term type plot they would work against a counterintelligence agency.

I believe that if you kill a terrorist and he has children, those children will become the long term plan and seek to take as many non-Muslim lives that they can. If you "sink to their level" as someone here has said then you essentially wipe out hte ability of that family - including it's future generations - to seek revenge against us infedels.

Punish them until they beg us to stop?

I have to say that I agree with this logic. You've got these governments over there who turn a blind eye to the terrorists they raise the terrorist camps on their soil where better terrorists are being trained, and attacks against Americans are being planned while these nations proclaim to the U.S. "Uh, sorry. We don't condone these actions".

Bull Shit (sorry for the language but this is something I'm adament about)!

If we make them hurt - and hurt bad - it will either kick them all into gear to try to wipe us out (at which time we solve the problem once and for all), or they will do as Elhuero said and make them beg us to stop. We let them know that either THEY take care of the problem, or we will and it'll get done with collateral damage because we're not risking any more of OUR troops lives to do it cleanly.

I also believe that we need to publicly bury the bodies/body parts of their terrorists with portions of pigs (I know, this isn't fair to the pigs). Their religion teaches that this will keep them from entering their heaven do to the pigs uncleanliness (these people don't bathe and they claim PIGS are unclean?). While it is a matter of debate whether it actually happened or is just an urban legend, it has been largley discounted that General Pershing did this very thing in the Phillipines. Whether Pershing did it or not, I believe that it would help to demoralize the martyr attitude if they believed that they would be prevented from going to heaven.

Very un-PC? Yes and I make no apologies for it either.

Back to the original theme of this thread, my thoughts and prayers go out to these 7 CIA agents who only sought to increase the safety of each and every one of us.

[Elhuero]

So you think that if the Allies had the ability to do pinpoint strikes on military and strategic targets in Axis cities, they would still have chosen to destroy civilian areas and such acts would be justifiable?

Damn right.

World War II was fought in a different era.

[Irving]

If you believe that killing innocents will help end terrorist aggression towards us; then you also must accept that if instead of blowing up airplanes, terrorists came over here and started raping and killing our families, that we would say, "Oh man, this isn't worth it, we're going to have to just leave those guys alone."

Americans are not the only people ever to feel a sense of pride, seek justice or vengeance.

[theGinsue]

Well, then there is this solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z23fZSa-QY4

[Elhuero]

If you believe that killing innocents will help end terrorist aggression towards us; then you also must accept that if instead of blowing up airplanes, terrorists came over here and started raping and killing our families, that we would say, "Oh man, this isn't worth it, we're going to have to just leave those guys alone."

Americans are not the only people ever to feel a sense of pride, seek justice or vengeance.

I never said anything about raping.

The extremists hate us anyway. There's nothing we can do to make them not hate us.

Pardon my french, but fuck their culture.

Saddam used to pay money to the families of bombers. I wouldn't doubt that Iran does it now.

As has been pointed out, these are people who kill their own daughters if they interact too much with non muslims (or do pretty much anything else dad doesn't like)

All the more reason to NOT be nice to them.

Honor killings are repugnant, more so than rap music, and I'll be damned if that's the type of "diversity" I will respect. (you can all you want)

Personally, I think it would give a would-be suicide bomber pause to think instead of "well, I'll be dead but my family will be set up for life" to have the thought "well, I'll be dead and then the Americans will hunt down mom, dad, sissy, uncle abul and auntie hekkeba"

but then, that's me.

I'm weird.

like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCHtw6WbbnM