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I tried to take a friday off a week in advance at my last job and wasn't allowed. My stupid manager was also nosey as hell and kept saying "If you tell me why you want the day off, maybe I can help you figure something out." To which I kept replying, "The thing is on Friday, not another day. There is nothing for you to help with." She really just wanted to know what I was doing. If you didn't tell her all your personal life little secrets, then she hated you. I'm getting off track though as that is another story. At that company now, you have to schedule your holiday time off a YEAR in advance. In a company like that, where you are supposed to stay at your desk, even if you don't have anything to do, you couldn't just take off an afternoon.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I didn't mean to imply that I was disagreeing with anything you said, iamhunter.
What I am saying is that one of the things that really helped both in civil matters but also in making sure the govt knew that the people were not only armed but organized. The American militia had nothing, man for man, on the British regulars. But there were a lot of them and they had a basic system for drilling once in a while and also of deploying in a semi-organized manner.
IE, the govt knew that if they started seizing guns the county militia would all show up and dare them to. So did foreign enemies. So did local misfits who wanted to hold up banks or something else nefarious.
So what I am asking is, owning firearms, 100% on board with that. But why isn't anyone talking about organizing if only for a "just in case" problem? And promoting such an organization as a first step towards cultural change from govt dependence to one of self-reliance?
Surely "I am a minuteman this week, and I just got a call to help keep a bank robber inside his bank, I need the afternoon off" would be done a little differently?
Or maybe your boss just sucks. It happens and I've been there too so my condolences if thats the case.
As far as training in a "militia"...surely it'd be after work or on the weekends or something. Convenient for the working man - after all you're not a professional soldier.
Because these days any citizen based justice or law-enforcement would be characterized by the government as "vigilantism" and punishable by law.
As for organizing just for the sake of getting some training and drills "just in case" we ever have to face an outside threat as a community? I'm more than open to that,
but as you can see Alexander hamilton himself said the most that could be expected of Citizens was being "properly armed". Most people don't have the free-time or resources for training. Those of use that do usually go shooting regularly and take tactical classes whenever we get the chance...
I'd be more than happy for a free community based weapons training seminar, but who has the money and time to organize and provide such a thing?
Have you ever had a job with a big corporation before? I was doing entry level claims and there is no way I could have been like "Oh hey, I'm a minute man today, see you tomorrow." All your performance is based on how many people you call a day and crap like that.
As to your comment in your last post, again, it would come down to liability I'd think. Liability and money. When Katrina happened, how many homes were built using volunteers? A few I'm sure, but not as many as there could have been due to lack of funds and football fields of red tape to fight through for access to that money. Events like Katrina would have been the PERFECT time to have a militia to protect people, instead of the government knee jerking and snatching guns.
I think the kind of militia you are imagining sounds a lot like many current volunteer organizations that exist already. For instance, when I was posting on Off-Road forums, there was a group of guys who signed up for some program to drive around town during snow storms digging people out or taking people to work (doctors, etc) when they couldn't get there themselves.
The more I think about it, despite what I said earlier, is gaining public approval of the idea.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I think you could do it one weekend a month for 6-8 hours without incurring that much expense or trouble. I mean I go shooting for that often a month already so it wouldn't be a huge change in schedule for me.
Is it a problem of no one wanting to step up and start it? Or is there just no real interest?
Where would you have it, who would teach it?
Our society is pretty far down the rabbit hole for this sort of thing to be inexpensive. That's why tactical clinics cost so much. You need legal council, waivers, a place to do it, instructors, etc.
And god forbid someone accidentally gets shot or injures themselves, without proper legal preparation, the organizer could be looking at a huge lawsuit.
I do the best I can and seek training as an individual. But i'm afraid starting some sort of community based militia training initiatives would require the full-time commitment of the organizer, and considerable funds to insulate the program and the operator from any legal trouble.
Don't take this as me saying I support any of our crazed societies habits or policies. But that's the way it is.
The Red Rocks workout comes to mind for me. 50 people show up to Red Rocks every Saturday morning and follow a few guys leading a totally free class. If you can't keep up for all of it (most people can't) you just do what you can and rest when you need to. It costs zero money and is much more popular than many gym classes that you pay for. I wonder about if you just played "instructor" and showed up at a public range to lead a "class" how that would go over. If you're not advertising and not charging, seems difficult to be held liable.
"There are no finger prints under water."
I know a few lawyers (don't worry, they work on the side of good) who have dealt with liability issues before. A standard "come at your own risk" disclaimer would insulate you from legal liability so long as you didn't do anything grossly dangerous (ie "You there run around on the 100 yard line while we do our quick fire drills.")
I think it could be done just fine. In fact...I have an idea.
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