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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Incorrect. "Crimea was annexed by the Russian Empire during the reign of Catherine The Great in 1783 and remained part of Russia until 1954 when it was transferred to Ukraine under the then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev." Source
    Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic of Ukraine, governed by Ukrainian law. If you don't think a growing conflict in the region isn't a matter of concern, you obviously don't realize that US diplomats have supported and defended Ukrainian sovereignty historically since Ukraine became an independent nation in 1991. Not to mention that Russia's invasion of the region is in direct violation of international law and UN Charter. This could spiral into an ever expanding conflict.
    I wouldnt worry about conflict gents. No one's going to war over Ukraine. As far as violating intl law, thats another interesting statement coming from the US administration.

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    Yeah, "fucking russians", and 'What a fucking land of losers". Way to win hearts and minds eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Not to mention that Russia's invasion of the region is in direct violation of international law
    -when has that ever stopped Russia, the USA, or China? When you have a big enough stick, you can, and will do anything you jolly well please.

    Just saw this on an online news source:

    "U.S. condemns Russia's invasion and occupation"

    back up a dozen years:

    "Russia condemns U.S. invasion and occupation"

    Putin cares about U.S. condemnation and international law regarding Ukraine about as much as the U.S. cared about Russian condemnation and international law as it pertained to Iraq. -not one bit.

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    Once Putin secures most of Ukraine, who will control nearly all the gas pipelines to Europe? Once Putin starts playing with supplies, all the sudden Ukraine will carry more urgency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%...e_gas_disputes
    Getting people more wound up than a liberal who just lost their welfare check

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    Normally I try to avoid such discussions. We live in a complex, ever changing world.. try not to see things in black and white gents

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    Quote Originally Posted by streetglideok View Post
    Once Putin secures most of Ukraine, who will control nearly all the gas pipelines to Europe? Once Putin starts playing with supplies, all the sudden Ukraine will carry more urgency http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%...e_gas_disputes

    Yeah and what does any of this have to do with the US ??? Why all the interest in Ukraine? Most people cant even find it on a map but now everyone's got an opinion??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tor Larson View Post
    Come on SRG- Any evidence to the contrary? When's the last time Russia has helped bail out a country? How about Finland 1939? Poland 1941? Korea 1950? Afghanistan? Georgia? Lotta humanitarian aid for the world ? They are such a warm and fuzzy nation. Always have been...
    Tor, you really do see things in b & w dont you? Hmm, pretty sure all major powers have done bad and regrettable things in the past.. lets start digging all that up now

    btw, im one of those fucking looser ruskies you hate so much but I will say this: invading Finland was a bigtime no-no for the USSR. Finland showed they had the balls to fight for their country against foreign aggression just as my ancestors fought against Nazi aggression and occupation and for that they get major respect.

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    Wasnt denying anything either.. simply dont understand your anti-russian powertrip as if russia was the worlds biggest badguy ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tor Larson View Post
    Cannot deny that most Americans can't find the Crimean on a map, know its history, can spell it, or will turn off the TV long enough to care what is happening in the Black Sea.
    There's nothing happening anyway but if you watch the news you'd think there's a war on. Aggression!! Invasion!! FEAR FEAR FEAR OMG. No one has even fired a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tor Larson View Post
    Cannot deny that most Americans can't find the Crimean on a map, know its history, can spell it, or will turn off the TV long enough to care what is happening in the Black Sea.

    My post - grad work was military history. I'm pretty fanatical anti-Soviet... sorry. Mannerheim has always been a hero of mine...along with Poland 's greats- Poniatowski and Pilsuddki. Again, sorry but Russia's history has been brutal on most folks-
    You'd think most historians would try to take a more objective and even-tempered approach. Russia has been invaded many times by hostile foreign powers as well. As far as Poland, im pretty sure there was a time a few hundred years ago when they were an 'invader' in russia as well...

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