Pub owner insults gun owners... I hope he goes under soon...

[ZERO THEORY]

can not ban a Black, a Hispanic, a gay, an Indian, an Asian, a Woman, a Man, an Arab, Etc Etc...I think having a gun free zone is unlawful and should be treated the same as discrimination

I'll play devil's advocate here. I think the idea is that race, gender, and sexual orientation are dynamics that you have 0% control over or decision in being a part of. There's absolutely nothing they can do about it, so to alienate them on the grounds of a fraternity that they have no say in being a member of is faulty.

The problem with that, of course, is that alienating gun owners who make a choice to legally carry on the grounds of someone else's actions (criminals who aren't of the same fraternity, no less) is no better. It's really stupid deductive reasoning and belittles the competency of adults.

[Rabid]

I'll play devil's advocate here. I think the idea is that race, gender, and sexual orientation are dynamics that you have 0% control over or decision in being a part of. There's absolutely nothing they can do about it, so to alienate them on the grounds of a fraternity that they have no say in being a member of is faulty.

The problem with that, of course, is that alienating gun owners who make a choice to legally carry on the grounds of someone else's actions (criminals who aren't of the same fraternity, no less) is no better. It's really stupid deductive reasoning and belittles the competency of adults.

Although its not natural, people can change their appearance to look like a different race, people can go from an inny to an outy and visa versa and people can decide to bat for the other team. You can insert religion, political orientation and wealth (when it fits the agenda) in my sentence because i can not discriminate on those grounds either.
I believe our founding documents made it pretty clear they did not want us discriminating against each other but it seems the human race has difficulties with that. For this reason i believe our self governing system is very important and in turn the free market takes hold. However the current system says you can not deny service for a list of reasons, all touched on in the founders documents, but the list only goes so far. It is not our governments job to decide what rights can and what rights can not be discriminated against by a private business, it needs to be an all or nothing deal.