"Less Lethal" ammunition

[275RLTW]

"Are you trained to effectively and safely use less lethal munitions?" There's the court's argument now...

Just traded a bad situation for a much worse one. You're now convicted of assaulting a burglar in your own home and can't own a firearm anymore.

[baglock1]

In my opinion, if you're using less than lethal ammo, you weren't truly in fear for your life.

I'd rather be in my bed thinking, "maybe I could have fought him off and my family would have still been safe..." vs sitting in prison thinking, "I should have placed 18 115 grain samples of JHP in that bastard's head..."

That's just me though.

The bottom line is that squeezing the trigger on a human is NEVER a good situation. If you have to do it however, don't just stop the fight, END it.

[Great-Kazoo]

"Are you trained to effectively and safely use less lethal munitions?" There's the court's argument now...

Just traded a bad situation for a much worse one. You're now convicted of assaulting a burglar in your own home and can't own a firearm anymore.

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In my opinion, if you're using less than lethal ammo, you weren't truly in fear for your life.

I'd rather be in my bed thinking, "maybe I could have fought him off and my family would have still been safe..." vs sitting in prison thinking, "I should have placed 18 115 grain samples of JHP in that bastard's head..."

That's just me though.

The bottom line is that squeezing the trigger on a human is NEVER a good situation. If you have to do it however, don't just stop the fight, END it.

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[Hound]

I have a lot of Non-lethal type ammo. I bought it because I have no wish nor INTENT to kill anybody. That does not mean I wouldn't kill somebody attacking my family or myself but that I don't want to unless it is the last option. My plan was to load the first few rounds with LE and then use lethal rounds. All of it was bought before last year. Then came along HB13-1043, where they redefined 'lethal weapon'. They removed 'intent' legally. Now... Because of this stupid law, my intent to allow myself to escalate proportionate to the threat has been taken away. The law now expects that I will either go full out or nothing. Warning shot... I am in trouble. Less Lethal... I am in trouble. Shot to kill.. Good to go. The same idiots that made the laws then wonder why when we talk or act there is no measured response. I think you are trying to use common sense to how you would like to respond. I also think the powers that be won't let you use common sense and force you to an extreme in the hopes that they can eventually take them away.

Just my .02

[us1911]

Warning shot... I am in trouble. Less Lethal... I am in trouble. Shot to kill.. Good to go.

Is a warning shot still illegal if its with a "Less Lethal" round??
How about loading the tube with a fire-ant rubber round to get attention backed up by 8 buckshot rounds? (OOPS, of course, I meant 4 buckshot....)

[Rabid]

I am not a killer, you are not a killer, we are not killers. The fact of the matter is none of use want to kill someone. However if you need to use force in fear of your life, the time to fire your firearm, used lethal force. If you do not kill the person trying to kill you expect worse then Zimmerman in the court system.

[Great-Kazoo]

Answer this. Why do you CCW, and or have a firearm for home protection, to make noise, show off to friends and family, look cool, boost your ego?
NO it's to have as a deterrent to crime and or an imminent threat to loved one and or friends. be they are home, vacation, at work.
You fire a warning shot, myself....I'll let my attorney answer that one.