Why psychiatrists can't stop mass killings

[hurley842002]

So (for arguments sake) my anti-gun family finds a shrink who has the same ideology as they do. Paper gets written outlining my paranoia and i'm gone ? GFR

My thoughts exactly, or any other number of domestic disagreements.

[Great-Kazoo]

My thoughts exactly, or any other number of domestic disagreements.

Absolutely, it's bad enough a false child abuse claim can take years and thousands of dollars to prove innocence.

[Ronin13]

I think one of the bigger problems is the ACLU and their crusade to outlaw involuntary committal into a mental health facility. Further, as has been stated before on this very board, who decides who is fit or unfit to function in society? Own guns? Drive a car? Remember, this last nutbag wanted a bigger vehicle so he could kill more people with it (those frightening big black assault SUVs!!!!) Domestic violence and child abuse notwithstanding, you also have to figure there are people out there who think we returning vets with PTSD are liable to "snap" at any moment and use our specialized training to slaughter innocents. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Being with other vets diagnosed with PTSD, the worst I've seen is perhaps a few who ran to the bottle to fix their problems, or like myself, had trouble sleeping the first year or so back from overseas. It's been said way too often, not much can be done to stop these crazy, evil people from doing crazy, evil things, except almost every single time they're confronted by an armed response (police or not) they usually take the cowards way out.

[Gman]

A lot of those in psychology/psychiatry are usually broken themselves, often trying to find their own answers.

[Great-Kazoo]

A lot of those in psychology/psychiatry are usually broken themselves, often trying to find their own answers.

What's their motto? I'm ok you're fukd

[DenverGP]

A lot of those in psychology/psychiatry are usually broken themselves, often trying to find their own answers.

From Wikipedia:

Wounded healer is a term created by psychologist Carl Jung. The idea states that an analyst is compelled to treat patients because the analyst himself is "wounded". The idea may have Greek mythology origins. Research has shown that 73.9% of counselors and psychotherapists have experienced one or more wounding experiences leading to career choice.

[BREATHER]

A guy I know got in to a domestic violence situation. Of course I do not know all the details of what occurred, he said she said stuff, but he went to jail over night. Now, he has to go to anger management classes, family counseling,jump though l kinds of hoops. Of course, he had to get rid of all his firearm, had to sell/transfer all of them including muzzleloaders. Someone got a good deal.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Afraid so.

Psychos were let out onto the streets in the '80s because the ACLU said locking them up was cruel and inhumane.
Psychos go off their meds.
Psycho meds all have possible dangerous psycho side effects.

Psychology degrees are relatively easy to attain.
50 minutes in a psychologist's office, where the psycho knows they're being evaluated, is not a smart way to determine if someone is a danger to themselves or society.
Family members are in a better position to determine on a continual basis whether or not their relatives have lost their minds.
Look at the history of the recent shooters. Their families knew they were nuts.

Get them off the street by locking them up.

The only error in your statement is that the release in the 80s had nothing to do with "Big Pharm". Go back to the news articles of the day and you'll see the entire pressure came from social activists (Democrats) and the ACLU.

[Aloha_Shooter]

A lot of those in psychology/psychiatry are usually broken themselves, often trying to find their own answers.

Agreed although I think rather than finding their own answers, many of them are trying to rationalize their internal problems as "normal". From Freud to Kinsey, there's a long history of psychological "analyses" trying to portray the "analyst" 's own deviant behavior or desires (sexual or otherwise) as normal and mainstream. There are a lot of things people go to psychologists for now that could be just as easily (and more cheaply) addressed with some time talking to a priest, minister, a favorite aunt or uncle, etc. On the other hand, I don't want people to think I'm against all psychology or psychologists/psychiatrists because I know of one or two people who really were helped with professional treatment; their problems appeared to have been combinations of both mental and physical issues.

[davsel]

The only error in your statement is that the release in the 80s had nothing to do with "Big Pharm". Go back to the news articles of the day and you'll see the entire pressure came from social activists (Democrats) and the ACLU.

You are correct.

Here is an excellent paper concerning the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill: http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

Here is an excellent paper concerning drug companies pushing new drugs into the market to control Schizophrenia (occurred after deinstitutionalization): http://www.uow.edu.au/~sharonb/drugcompanies.html

Both are long articles, but worth a read.