Open Carry Question

[ryanek9freak]

And getting a CCW is NOT a hassle? I beg to differ...it's a violation of my civil rights to be fingerprinted to obtain one. If it weren't for that,and the fact that all the sherriff's depts here charge the maximum amount that they can by law, I'd consider it. But they don't, so I wont.

[KevDen2005]

And getting a CCW is NOT a hassle? I beg to differ...it's a violation of my civil rights to be fingerprinted to obtain one. If it weren't for that,and the fact that all the sherriff's depts here charge the maximum amount that they can by law, I'd consider it. But they don't, so I wont.

Well I would say it's a different kind of hassle, and whether we agree or disagree on the hassle of it or whether the state should or should not fingerprint is I think a completely moot point here. All I am saying is get a CCW, it's a 'shall issue state' and then you won't have to worry whether it is covered or not.

Or don't, I don't care either way. I have my CCW so I am not too concerned.

[sabot_round]

And getting a CCW is NOT a hassle? I beg to differ...it's a violation of my civil rights to be fingerprinted to obtain one. If it weren't for that,and the fact that all the sherriff's depts here charge the maximum amount that they can by law, I'd consider it. But they don't, so I wont.

Would you go through the same hassle to obtain a MG, can or SBR? It's the same principle!

[iamhunter]

Would you go through the same hassle to obtain a MG, can or SBR? It's the same principle!

That doesn't make it right.

[theGinsue]

It's not that I'm trying to buck the system. I just believe that if I want to carry a concealed weapon, that's my constitutional right. Not something that needs to be regulated.

Of course the law is the law and as long as things stay like they presently are, I will abide by those laws.

But on principal, I refuse to participate in a regulated activity which should not be regulated.

So open-carry is my only option. And I would like to take advantage of that right without looking like a total asshat with a thigh rig. Haha. I guess I'll have to delve into the Colorado Springs municipal code.... sheesh.

As a Colo Spr resident who was about to get tazed for asking a question (not in a hostile manner), knowing the municipal code and being in the right won't necessarily keep you from getting tazed or shot if the officer(s) opinion is that you are breaking the law. While your heirs might have a great wrongful death civil case, it won't make YOU feel any better.

I refuse to be "permitted" to excercise a Constitutional right. Besides, OC is free.

Ponder this for a moment:

A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution... The power to impose a license tax on the exercise of these freedoms is indeed as potent as the power of censorship which this Court has repeatedly struck down... a person cannot be compelled 'to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.' —MURDOCK V. PENNSYLVANIA 319 US 105 (1942)

That doesn't make it right.

All good and valid points. Sadly, any sort of carry percieved by local, county, or state LE as concealed without a CCW will get you arrested {period}. I'm not saying it is right at all but we all know this is how it works. The whole part of "shall not be infringed" might as well never have been written into the Second Amendment as it is trampled daily; this is just another example.

Who, where, and when you can OC or Concealed Carry, and requiring a CCW, MG, Can or SBR permit/stamp all step on that specification. Many argue that these items and issues didn't exist back in the days of our founding fathers so there was no way they could have considered them when writing the Second Amendment. I respectfully disagree that such logic should be the defining issue as to how our Freedoms are allowed and applied. If you are a free person and have not been deemed a danger to society in any other way then your Rights should apply fully {period!}.

But again, this isn't how things actually work. If I had nothing to lose and the money to fight it, I'd consider taking up the legal battle behind all of this - with absolutely NO misconceptions that I might possibly come out the victor.

BigBear is right, get a CCW. Sure, you can OC, but what if (see OP for potential scenario)? Sure, it's a hassle and shouldn't be required but the hassle KevDen eludes to would be much worse. In the end you'll lose and could quite possibly lose your 2A rights completely in the process.

Just my $.02

[Irving]

If you carry concealed without a permit you will be arrested and your gun will be stolen by the police. I'm pretty sure that any CCW applications will be denied after that (like that matters) but I think you should still be able to buy a gun. I think you'd get denied your first time trying and would have to straighten it out, but I think you are still allowed to purchase.

[iamhunter]

I don't plan on carrying concealed.

Just plain ol' open carry.

I understand the logic behind getting a CCW, even for open carry, as a buffer between you and the strong hand of the law.

But if everyone just plays along, how is it going to get better?

Now if every time you went out, you saw dozens of people exercising their right to open carry, don't you think things would be a little different?

[Irving]

I'm just saying what will happen is all. There is really no reason anyone should know you are carry when carrying concealed. I only open carried once and was approached by an off duty. I don't think he noticed, but I think I scared the little boys working the counter at the Chipotle and they called their off duty friend over and asked him WTF I was doing.

[iamhunter]

I'm just saying what will happen is all. There is really no reason anyone should know you are carry when carrying concealed. I only open carried once and was approached by an off duty. I don't think he noticed, but I think I scared the little boys working the counter at the Chipotle and they called their off duty friend over and asked him WTF I was doing.

And that's exactly why more of us need to do it.

So people learn that it's not GUNS they need to be afraid of. But BAD PEOPLE.

I mean honestly, if a criminal walked in to rob a bank, and he saw 10 armed citizens standing in there.

What do you think he would do?

Turn around and walk right back out.

[sabot_round]

That doesn't make it right.

I'm not saying that is right. But considering the existing laws and the fact that we have to abide by them. If you want it, you gonna have to go through the hassle of getting it.

I reside in a state that does not allow open carry and in order to protect myself, I had no choice, I had to get a CWL.