Serious Question...how can you possibly NOT be a libertarian?

[68Charger]

Not true. It is a choice, and a blessing to be able to choose. You are not forced to vote for evil.

No, I'm not forced by anyone else, but to be more accurate: I am compelled to vote AGAINST evil.

When a major contributor to the Libertarian candidate is the Democrat candidate (because they want to have the L take votes away from the R), then voting for the R is the vote against Evil- voting for the L is voting the way the evil candidate wants me to vote.

That make it more clear?

[Artema]

No, I'm not forced by anyone else, but to be more accurate: I am compelled to vote AGAINST evil.

When a major contributor to the Libertarian candidate is the Democrat candidate (because they want to have the L take votes away from the R), then voting for the R is the vote against Evil- voting for the L is voting the way the evil candidate wants me to vote.

That make it more clear?

Yes, it has become transparent.

[Dave_L]

So what's the libertarian party's plan to take control of the political landscape? Just keep pounding the street in hopes it one day gains enough momentum to overturn the current 2 party system?

[TFOGGER]

So what's the libertarian party's plan to take control of the political landscape? Just keep pounding the street in hopes it one day gains enough momentum to overturn the current 2 party system?

Therein lies the problem: The libertarian movement is too small to be taken seriously by most voters, but the movement needs voters to consider them a viable choice to grow. The other alternative is that the major parties finally put forth such horrendous candidates that a significant number of voters can no longer stomach voting for the lesser evil, and choose instead to take a chance on the unknown quantity.

[davsel]

Here is an historical list of all the countries throughout the world that currently have or have had a Libertarian form of government:

[Artema]

Therein lies the problem: The libertarian movement is too small to be taken seriously by most voters, but the movement needs voters to consider them a viable choice to grow. The other alternative is that the major parties finally put forth such horrendous candidates that a significant number of voters can no longer stomach voting for the lesser evil, and choose instead to take a chance on the unknown quantity.

You're confusing the libertarian movement with the Libertarian Party. Most libertarians want all politicians to move to a less authoritarian stance, not have a party for it. A real libertarian probably doesn't even like the concept of political parties.

[wctriumph]

At present I am a single issue voter: The Second Amendment. Until "they" leave it alone I really don't care for the most part what the other issues are. I vote for the candidates that will stand and protect the Constitution, all of it. Unfortunately this means that in some election for some persons I must compromise myself to make sure that the Second Amendment will be upheld.

Otherwise ...


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[TFOGGER]

You're confusing the libertarian movement with the Libertarian Party. Most libertarians want all politicians to move to a less authoritarian stance, not have a party for it. A real libertarian probably doesn't even like the concept of political parties.

I think that many of us have libertarian leanings, but like me, are pretty disenchanted with the Libertarian party, so we resign ourselves to voting for one of the big 2. If a viable third party (Liberty party, American Constitution Party, whatever) were to come up with a good candidate, and a viable, realistic platform that included a PLAN to reduce government influence in our day-to-day affairs, the libertarian movement might gain some steam.

This is the current (2014) platform of the Libertarian Party: http://www.lp.org/platform

I pretty much agree with most of their points, but their foreign policy is somewhat unrealistic in this day and age.

[Aloha_Shooter]

... the argument "because it takes votes away from republicans and allows democrats to win elections" has been proven completely false so that doesn't count.

Actually, it has been proven true. The only reason John Morse got in office in District 11 was because the Libertarian running gave him a plurality. The Dems might actually keep a Senate seat they would otherwise lose -- and thereby hurt all of us by decreasing the bulwark against Obama's Maoist/Stalinist "reforms" -- because of a Libertarian candidate.

I am for many libertarian principles but not all, just as I'm against some Republican platform statements or legislation. The biggest problem I have with Libertarianism as a political movement is that it divides the anti-Marxist segment and thereby allows the Marxists to win. If you're genuinely against Socialism but don't want to give in to some of the Establishment Republicans then work INSIDE the GOP to takeover the Republican Party the way the out-and-out Communists and anti-Westerners have taken over the Democrat Party.

[Artema]

Actually, it has been proven true. The only reason John Morse got in office in District 11 was because the Libertarian running gave him a plurality. The Dems might actually keep a Senate seat they would otherwise lose -- and thereby hurt all of us by decreasing the bulwark against Obama's Maoist/Stalinist "reforms" -- because of a Libertarian candidate.

I am for many libertarian principles but not all, just as I'm against some Republican platform statements or legislation. The biggest problem I have with Libertarianism as a political movement is that it divides the anti-Marxist segment and thereby allows the Marxists to win. If you're genuinely against Socialism but don't want to give in to some of the Establishment Republicans then work INSIDE the GOP to takeover the Republican Party the way the out-and-out Communists and anti-Westerners have taken over the Democrat Party.

A vote for an authoritarian is a lost vote. I don't see that an authoritarian Republican is different than a different authoritarian. Maybe both sides will see enough lost elections due to good candidates screwing things up that they'll attempt to get good candidates themselves one day.