Obama Urges FCC to Re-Classify Internet

[68Charger]

Let me start (and hopefully end with this). Those that know me - know that I am a very strong libertarian, hate government involvement with just about anything, and want them out of our lives as much as possible. That said

Net Neutrality is a GOOD thing. It is the foundation of the Internet as we all know it.

A small example: Without Net Neutrality we would all be at the mercy of our Internet providers to regulate what content we are allowed to see. Without it, things like THIS MESSAGE BOARD, would probably not exist. Think about it this way - if Comcast says they don't like guns, they could throttle (or outright deny) the bandwidth to this COAR-15 to practically nothing - preventing all of us from coming here or we would have to pay *extra* to go to this site, etc. What kind of an effect would that have on the Internet as a whole if it was applied en mass? Please don't think for a second that your ISPs wont do it (hint: they all have test markets doing this right now).

I've seen claims of this- usually it's related to P2P applications, or other applications which are causing network congestion issues...

It generally goes like this: "I can't get to xxx or yyy by using my ISP, but if I put it in a VPN, then it work fine- so they're censoring based on content"
They have zero concept of how routing works in the internet, and should not speak about it, especially since they generally do no investigation as to WHY the VPN fixed the issue...

It can also go back to congested links, or even DNS issues that could be fixed. If they're on network A, and trying to get to a service on network B, and the A-B link is congested- then they launch a VPN which is on network C... and the A-C and B-C network links are not congested, then it appears circumvent censorship, but all they did was move their traffic (re-route it) on links that were not congested.

Actual censorship can again be fought through other legal means, we don't need more regulations to dictate how to manage a network...
since you're bringing up the extreme example of Comcast fully censoring a website they don't like for political reasons (which is a clear 1st amendment violation), I'll bring up the other extreme-
Will carriers have to get Gov't approval to block DoS attacks from hacker groups? I mean if ALL traffic is to be treated the same, then who's to say Anonymous doesn't have the right to shutdown a right-wing website they don't agree with by saturating it with bogus traffic? What about Trojans? If they use the internet to infect other machines, how do you determine their right to do so? Maybe they're just advertising?

[asmo]

Actual censorship can again be fought through other legal means, we don't need more regulations to dictate how to manage a network...
since you're bringing up the extreme example of Comcast fully censoring a website they don't like for political reasons (which is a clear 1st amendment violation), I'll bring up the other extreme-

*Leave out the personal attacks* -- foxtrot

Reworded at the suggestion of foxtrot
The 1st amendment has nothing to do with the speech between two private parties. You might need to brush up on your legal understandings before posting.

[68Charger]

*Leave out the personal attacks* -- foxtrot

Reworded at the suggestion of foxtrot
The 1st amendment has nothing to do with the speech between two private parties. You might need to brush up on your legal understandings before posting.

There are a >FEW< more people than 2 on this board... but now I'm just trolling, so I'll stop.