Why we are where we are....

[Marlin]

One more thing though,,

a design engineer dreams it up, we build it..

Tell the damn engineer,, it don't always fit in reality, as nice as it does on paper..

[68Charger]

One more thing though,,






Tell the damn engineer,, it don't always fit in reality, as nice as it does on paper..

I do... as often as I can... especially when they're trying to use the latest whiz-bang device available (we like to call it Bleeding edge technology)
and then the bean counter sticks his head in, and says he's got to cut costs, too..

and Viper- you may have posted a link to it, but you didn't SAY it..

there's a new Ram truck commercial out that I was reminded of, I'll see if I can find it.... something about rolling up your sleeves..

also reminds me of a Teddy Roosevelt quote:

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

[roberth]

I'll third that - skilled labor is hugely important.

I love my desk job but I also make sure to get outside everyday and have some fun. I'm fortunate that my job has 'flex time' and my boss only cares that I get my work done, he doesn't care if I do it from home or in the office.

I am not skilled at building things, I could learn it, very slowly, but it is not something I'm good at. I have a friend in construction, I am a source of humor to him because of my ineptness.

This is one of the many problems I have with illegals, they have driven the wages down so far that skilled labor American citizens can't afford to do those jobs. Personally I think a skilled citizen could do the work of 3 or 4 maybe more unskilled illegals, and the work would be done correctly the first time.

I work with 'offshore' - read Indian - folks. Generally they are not skilled and I get to fix their work b/c they didn't do it right the first time and don't know/don't care about correcting it. There are a few that are good but I've trained 8 and only 2 were worth a shit, they've both quit for better jobs.

[KFinn]

I love my desk job but I also make sure to get outside everyday and have some fun.

+1

I have a friend that is ...., I am a source of humor to him because of my ineptness.

+1

This is one of the many problems I have with illegals, they have driven the wages down so far that skilled labor American citizens can't afford to do those jobs. Personally I think a skilled citizen could do the work of 3 or 4 maybe more unskilled illegals, and the work would be done correctly the first time.

+1

I do all my own work on my cars, because I miss working with my hands.. at work, it's all just voices over the phone & dots on the computer screen anymore.. maybe I'm not an "office type" at heart, but it's my job...

+1

being educated is extremely important, but not necessarily in the "college" that everyone is pressured into. I know a ton of people who are plenty smart enough, and a formal college education (at least right after high school) would be wasted on them and they wouldn't even finish. Personally, I think that learning a trade should be held equally as high a Bachelor's degree.

+1! +1! +1! +1! +1! +1!

All comments very well put!

[SU405]

One more thing though,,






Tell the damn engineer,, it don't always fit in reality, as nice as it does on paper..

My Dad was in construction since he was an early teen. And if I had a dime for every time I've heard him say this.

[Hoosier]

Another large contributing factor to this, is that being smart in many schools is not "cool", anyone who tries in class is ostracized and the result is kids are coming out of high school illiterate and unable to do simple math. School are underfunded, teachers are underpaid, and the solution has been (in some places) to split the school systems into inner city school and suburban schools. Bussing kids across town to equalize racial percentages had a disastrous effect of making it impossible for many parents to be involved. The inner city schools are often horrible... I've been to them, it's a joke.

[Irving]

I've always kind of wanted to be an electrician. Since I need to get a new job anyway, I may look into seeing what it takes to become an apprentice or something. One of my all time favorite jobs was making pizza at Beau Jo's. Show up to work, get slammed and work your ass off for 10 hours, go home. Awesome.

[Marlin]

I've always kind of wanted to be an electrician. Since I need to get a new job anyway, I may look into seeing what it takes to become an apprentice or something. One of my all time favorite jobs was making pizza at Beau Jo's. Show up to work, get slammed and work your ass off for 10 hours, go home. Awesome.

They might be taking low $$ apprentices at the moment.. The last few I have done for CLP haven't been over $12.. You'll be digging trenches, parts gofer, and anything else nobody wants to do.. Oh, and if it's slow, You'll be the one sitting home..

[Irving]

If you expand the very first job listed (loveland, co) I'm thinking of applying for this job just to see what happens. The description really makes it sound like it is an entry level position, but of course they would like someone with experience and general knowledge as well.

http://www.omnitrax.com/employement.aspx

[cowboykjohnson]

If you expand the very first job listed (loveland, co) I'm thinking of applying for this job just to see what happens. The description really makes it sound like it is an entry level position, but of course they would like someone with experience and general knowledge as well.

http://www.omnitrax.com/employement.aspx

sounds like a good job.