Colorado gun group: Let pot users have concealed carry permits

[Great-Kazoo]

Good point. I completely disregarded the Federal aspect in my argument without even realizing it.

Reply #6.

[Ronin13]

Except one cannot make a comparison between marijuana and alcohol. Sure they both inhibit abilities, and dull senses, but whereas alcohol metabolizes faster than MJ, the latter can stay in the system actively for up to 24 hours and impair (partially or fully) for up to 8 hours. While one can have a beer, wait an hour or two and operate a motor vehicle without much of any impairment, the same cannot be said 100% for MJ, depending on the user, of course. Also, regardless, the system currently does not exist to gauge or create a scale of comparison for intoxication with marijuana like we have with alcohol. I'd say hold off on this before just giving stoners the permission to carry guns. You can still be denied a CHP for habitual alcohol offenses; I wonder how they would treat MJ offenses, or just wipe the slate clean? I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I'm just saying that the jury is still out and I would rather this not be done half-cocked like they did with 64. Put some time in, do some studies, find out more info, and put a better foundation down before passing anything else so that it's done right.

[Irving]

Except one cannot make a comparison between marijuana and alcohol. Sure they both inhibit abilities, and dull senses, but whereas alcohol metabolizes faster than MJ, the latter can stay in the system actively for up to 24 hours and impair (partially or fully) for up to 8 hours. While one can have a beer, wait an hour or two and operate a motor vehicle without much of any impairment, the same cannot be said 100% for MJ, depending on the user, of course. Also, regardless, the system currently does not exist to gauge or create a scale of comparison for intoxication with marijuana like we have with alcohol. I'd say hold off on this before just giving stoners the permission to carry guns. You can still be denied a CHP for habitual alcohol offenses; I wonder how they would treat MJ offenses, or just wipe the slate clean? I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I'm just saying that the jury is still out and I would rather this not be done half-cocked like they did with 64. Put some time in, do some studies, find out more info, and put a better foundation down before passing anything else so that it's done right.

Blah blah blah cop talk.

[MarkCO]

Ronin13, good post.

[wctriumph]

I'd vote for it. Right now my wife, a registered user on MMJ, cannot get a permit for her own defense. Its ridiculous that she is not allowed to defend herself because she uses a prescribed medication that is legal in the state.

[TFOGGER]

I'm not sure you can say alcohol has a lesser effect post intoxication. I'm thinking that 12 hours after getting high, most drivers would see minimal effects, while someone that had been seriously drunk might not have significant alcohol still in their system, but could still be affected by the hangover to the point of impairment. That being said, I am ambivalent on the issue of the OP. One would hope that people that are applying for CCW permits have enough sense not to carry while impaired, but the cynic in me says otherwise, regardless of what the state does. Those that are inclined to carry while intoxicated will do so if the state allows them to have a CCW permit or not.

[wctriumph]

Except one cannot make a comparison between marijuana and alcohol. Sure they both inhibit abilities, and dull senses, but whereas alcohol metabolizes faster than MJ, the latter can stay in the system actively for up to 24 hours and impair (partially or fully) for up to 8 hours. While one can have a beer, wait an hour or two and operate a motor vehicle without much of any impairment, the same cannot be said 100% for MJ, depending on the user, of course. Also, regardless, the system currently does not exist to gauge or create a scale of comparison for intoxication with marijuana like we have with alcohol. I'd say hold off on this before just giving stoners the permission to carry guns. You can still be denied a CHP for habitual alcohol offenses; I wonder how they would treat MJ offenses, or just wipe the slate clean? I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I'm just saying that the jury is still out and I would rather this not be done half-cocked like they did with 64. Put some time in, do some studies, find out more info, and put a better foundation down before passing anything else so that it's done right.

Good post with some interesting points.

However, and this is just anecdotal, some guys I knew and two of my cousins that served in combat in vietnam told me, their officers did not much care if they smoked pot except on guard duty or patrol whereas, no one was allowed to get drunk. They told me that when attacked by the enemy, the burst of adrenalin completely canceled out the MJ high where a drunk stayed drunk under the same circumstances. Any of you older guys that may have served over there in combat feel free to chime in. I was not there, just relating what I was told by friends and family that were there and were in combat, two of which received Purple Hearts for wounds received. These guys were in Army and Navy in country.

[Mtn.man]

Dude where's my gun?

[brutal]

Captured from 4473:

Attachment 53643

Sorry for the crappy screen snip, but Form 4473 Question 11.e. begins "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to...". So I guess with the current laws in CO, any recreational or med card user of MJ could honestly answer "NO" (as long as they aren't using any other drugs listed in 11.e).

..."marijuana or any depressant..."

Isn't alcohol classified as a depressant?

[MarkCO]

If people who drive drunk, text and drive, carry while using drugs (or any altering nature) want to enter into a contract with me that if their stupidity costs me or someone I care about their life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness, they will pay damages and then end their life if they took one, sure, we can get rid of all the laws that protect the innocent from the stupid. But you all know that is not going to happen. Just another step down the path of the "Me first, last and always" and screw anyone else who even ventures to wants to be able to go about their lives without the risk of peril from stupid and irresponsible people.

I don't know wctriumph, nor his wife, from Adam and Eve, but I would be willing to hazard a guess that she would be fine, and responsible with a carry permit and the use of MMJ. IF CO just had MMJ, I might be inclined to argue on her behalf. However, do I think the same of most of the recreational users I have seen...NO WAY! So, maybe one could say that the recreational users no-go and the medical users gtg? But anyone who is honest knows that the MMJ system was highly abused prior to the passing of the recreational allowance.