M855/ss109

[HoneyBadger]

Lol why is everyone panicking and paying so much for M855? Are you worried that you won't be able to shoot through walls? I'm sure any FMJ .223 bullet will do just fine... Still worried about not penetrating a barrier? Get a .30-06.

[68Charger]

Lol why is everyone panicking and paying so much for M855? Are you worried that you won't be able to shoot through walls? I'm sure any FMJ .223 bullet will do just fine... Still worried about not penetrating a barrier? Get a .30-06.

hell, even 300 Blackout will only require a barrel change and will be more barrier-blind than ANY 5.56 round... .458 socom even more so... if you're willing to move up to AR-10/lr308 platform 45Raptor is damn impressive... but even .308 is pretty barrier-blind

because m855 is NOT ARMOR PIERCING!!!! it is a "penetrator" round... somewhere between total crap and somewhat crap at penetrating barriers.

But this isn't about logic, science, truth, or even theory.. it's about politics and disarming people

[JohnnyDrama]

But this isn't about logic, science, truth, or even theory.. it's about politics and disarming people

I don't even own a firearm chambered for 5.56 NATO. I write/e mail/fax my Congressmen because I don't want them coming after the cartridges I do have next.

[mutt]

Lol why is everyone panicking and paying so much for M855? Are you worried that you won't be able to shoot through walls? I'm sure any FMJ .223 bullet will do just fine... Still worried about not penetrating a barrier? Get a .30-06.

People are worried they may not be all to shoot at all. The m855 ban is a test run. If they can remove a domestically produced round like m855 from the market, then they'll be emboldened to go after the rest under the same false "police safety" BS. Since they couldn't ban the guns they'll ban the ammo to feed them. They'll go after all the other calibers in time. Even .30-06 won't be safe. This isn't something to take lightly.

This administration is going for all out gun control via ammo bans. Even if they can't get it all banned, how expensive do you think ammo is going to get when a good percentage of it is suddenly removed from the market? I'd be willing to bet m855 accounts for almost 50% of the .223/5.56 bulk ammo supply. Panic prices now may seem like a bargain in a few months. Pricing gun owners out of the market is as good as a ban. It worked for machine guns.

[HoneyBadger]

People are worried they may not be all to shoot at all. The m855 ban is a test run. If they can remove a domestically produced round like m855 from the market, then they'll be emboldened to go after the rest under the same false "police safety" BS. Since they couldn't ban the guns they'll ban the ammo to feed them. They'll go after all the other calibers in time. Even .30-06 won't be safe. This isn't something to take lightly.

This administration is going for all out gun control via ammo bans. Even if they can't get it all banned, how expensive do you think ammo is going to get when a good percentage of it is suddenly removed from the market? I'd be willing to bet m855 accounts for almost 50% of the .223/5.56 bulk ammo supply. Panic prices now may seem like a bargain in a few months. Pricing gun owners out of the market is as good as a ban. It worked for machine guns.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm not saying that the legislation is good. It isn't. It is a very clear chipping away of liberty and I hate it.

I just don't get why people are willing to pay significantly more for M855 than M193 now, or ever. By all means, stock up on whatever you need, but don't be wasteful about it with your limited resources (money).

[mutt]

Don't misunderstand me - I'm not saying that the legislation is good. It isn't. It is a very clear chipping away of liberty and I hate it.

I just don't get why people are willing to pay significantly more for M855 than M193 now, or ever. By all means, stock up on whatever you need, but don't be wasteful about it with your limited resources (money).

I'm not saying you like the ruling (It's not really legislation. The ATF is making things up as they go.) but I think too many gun owners are taking this too lightly. Too many have the "What's the big deal?" attitude. It's a big deal.

And people are paying significantly more for m193 as well. You can't buy ANY.223/5.56 bulk ammo at a decent price now. It's practically the same for 7.62x39. If you haven't stocked up already on your preferred flavor, you missed the boat and hopefully you can wait till the next lull (if there is one) in the storm to buy. Our side, as usual, is myopic and only focusing on the specific issue at hand and not seeing the big picture. This is about far more than m855.

[DavieD55]

Our side, as usual, is myopic and only focusing on the specific issue at hand and not seeing the big picture. This is about far more than m855.

This^

[mtnrider]

People are worried they may not be all to shoot at all. The m855 ban is a test run. If they can remove a domestically produced round like m855 from the market, then they'll be emboldened to go after the rest under the same false "police safety" BS. Since they couldn't ban the guns they'll ban the ammo to feed them. They'll go after all the other calibers in time. Even .30-06 won't be safe. This isn't something to take lightly.

This administration is going for all out gun control via ammo bans. Even if they can't get it all banned, how expensive do you think ammo is going to get when a good percentage of it is suddenly removed from the market? I'd be willing to bet m855 accounts for almost 50% of the .223/5.56 bulk ammo supply. Panic prices now may seem like a bargain in a few months. Pricing gun owners out of the market is as good as a ban. It worked for machine guns.

^Winner winner, chicken dinner. This is just the beginning of things to come. M855 today, 193 tomorrow. Pretty soon you are only left with $3+ a round specialty hunting ammo (that is imposable to find). Pisses my off as I look around the web and see people comment "I don't shoot that anyway go ahead and ban it" They are missing the bigger picture,

[HoneyBadger]

(It's not really legislation. The ATF is making things up as they go.)

I stand corrected. Very good point.

^Winner winner, chicken dinner. This is just the beginning of things to come. M855 today, 193 tomorrow. Pretty soon you are only left with $3+ a round specialty hunting ammo (that is imposable to find). Pisses my off as I look around the web and see people comment "I don't shoot that anyway go ahead and ban it" They are missing the bigger picture,

Potentially true. That sort of outcome wouldn't surprise me at all. As to the folks who don't care... That just frustrating as all Hell.

[Hound]

Funny you should say that. I met and talked with Rhonda Fields back in 2013 when the stupid laws were just starting to be put out. I really did not know who she was at the time. Her first question to me as a gun owner was "How can we get at the ammo?". I said "You can't". She did not like this answer. It struck me as odd since the laws were on BGC's and Magazines.

Just saying....

People are worried they may not be able to shoot at all. The m855 ban is a test run. If they can remove a domestically produced round like m855 from the market, then they'll be emboldened to go after the rest under the same false "police safety" BS. Since they couldn't ban the guns they'll ban the ammo to feed them. They'll go after all the other calibers in time. Even .30-06 won't be safe. This isn't something to take lightly.

This administration is going for all out gun control via ammo bans. Even if they can't get it all banned, how expensive do you think ammo is going to get when a good percentage of it is suddenly removed from the market? I'd be willing to bet m855 accounts for almost 50% of the .223/5.56 bulk ammo supply. Panic prices now may seem like a bargain in a few months. Pricing gun owners out of the market is as good as a ban. It worked for machine guns.