Safeway purposly blocking emergency exits.

[RonMexico]

I bet it has to do with shoplifting. My moms friend was at a bbq of ours. She is a safe way employee and you wouldn't belive the shit she said. Safe way is losing tens of thousands and won't hire fuckin security. It's so bad they call them rabbits. People put lots of meat face down in the cart. I guess this helps with some kind detection of the bar codes as they run out. She told me several stories of having push wars with men stealing carts of food. She's gone as far as the back and side of store to take shit back. I told her she needs to not risk her life for safe way. She gets paid to ring up fuckin groceries.
One of the times she grabs a backpack that this chick was really swinging the shit out of walking in. Talking full loops here lol. On the way out she walks past the registers and is almost dragging the damn thing. She goes over and physically stops the lady. Cops are called. She said the cops refused to do anything and let her go.
Safe way is loosing lots of money and won't spend any for security because theft lose is a write off. Your safety in case of fire is less important than a cart of groceries, that was less important than a 12 dollar per our security guard in the first place.

Bingo.... Kinda

I've heard rumors of this Safeway supplying Hs parties , the beer isle is located close to those doors.

I worked retail ane we had several "push outs", one guy told the cops "he was going to his car" with $2800 worth of merchandise "to grab his wallet, so he could pay"

[<MADDOG>]

I don't have my IBC or IFC in front of me, but once that sign "exit" goes above a door, it turns into a fire code issue with egress.

Call your local fire marshall, ask to speak to the code enforcement division. They may have permission to do it, but I doubt it.

[cmailliard]

The very simple answer is if there is an exit sign or the door is marked as an exit it must maintained and accessible as an exit. When you push on the bars or whatever the should open (they are called panic bars, for a reason). The ones on those doors have horns attached to them, but they should still open outward for egress. In hospitals if you look many fire doors are marked with "to open press and hold for 15 seconds door will open" this overrides the mag lock on those doors.

This picture here would warrent a trip by the Fire Marshal, now they won't come out at night but with pictures that can help. The Fire Marshal can cite them but they would most likely get a warning to start with. Report it to the fire department (Littleton Fire Rescue)

[sroz]

So did you call Safeway this morning? And did the Fire Marshall ever call you back?

[th3w01f]

Spoke with enforcement for Littleton today and he said he'd swing by there tonight or tomorrow to see what's up.

He said it's kind of a grey area since they're only required to have one exit.

[Irving]

Spoke with enforcement for Littleton today and he said he'd swing by there tonight or tomorrow to see what's up.

He said it's kind of a grey area since they're only required to have one exit.

So you said, "Just like the grey area that will be the flesh and organs turned to ash, of the victims who thought they could actually survive that fire by following the posted EXIT signs?" Careful how you word that though, don't want to sound like a threat.

[ZERO THEORY]

Let's say a small fire breaks out near the front of the store. Worth noting is the pressurized air coming from the cooling/heating grate in the floor at the entrance. So you've got flames and they meet with the pressurized air. I'm not a firefighter and don't know enough about fire dynamics, but I would imagine that high-flow oxygen (albeit not pure) combined with flames is bad news.

So the front doors are now blocked by a flashover wave of flames. Which means that the old lady who just had her hip replaced, the obese woman in the motorized cart, and the petite woman who has her 8 year old in tow now have to either move or maneuver over/around two dozen shopping carts blocking the emergency exit. Brilliant.

[Circuits]

So the front doors are now blocked by a flashover wave of flames. Which means that the old lady who just had her hip replaced, the obese woman in the motorized cart, and the petite woman who has her 8 year old in tow now have to either move or maneuver over/around two dozen shopping carts blocking the emergency exit. Brilliant.

I mean... as long as nothing was stolen, right?

[th3w01f]

Let's say a small fire breaks out near the front of the store. Worth noting is the pressurized air coming from the cooling/heating grate in the floor at the entrance. So you've got flames and they meet with the pressurized air. I'm not a firefighter and don't know enough about fire dynamics, but I would imagine that high-flow oxygen (albeit not pure) combined with flames is bad news.

So the front doors are now blocked by a flashover wave of flames. Which means that the old lady who just had her hip replaced, the obese woman in the motorized cart, and the petite woman who has her 8 year old in tow now have to either move or maneuver over/around two dozen shopping carts blocking the emergency exit. Brilliant.

That's similar (but way more in-depth) to the scenario I posed to the Fire Inspector. His initial response was something along the lines of "you could move the carts right" and I said "yes I could move them but I'm pretty sure a pregnant woman, elderly person, child or someone in a wheelchair couldn't in an emergency." That's when he agreed that he'd check it out, I offered to send the picture but he said it wasn't necessary. I'm going to swing by the store again when I get back in town.

I spoke with another manager there and they gave me the same "HQ policy" crap. I have a call into corporate but I haven't heard back from them.

My response to the manager was that I think someone would be much more likely to try and sneak out the front doors than stand there with their hand on the f-ing alarm for 15 seconds waiting to get out.

[rbeau30]

What I am concerned with is the expectation the store management has... that the employees (now thrust in between a shoplifter that may fight to get out the door) are willing to actively prevent a shoplifter from getting outside the store, by intentionally funneling potentially violent shoplifter/perps through their employees.