Court: Second Amendment also covers those in US illegally

[Irving]

That's just silly, you would not arrest anybodies 5 year old kids if they are in the car when the adults commit a crime. Here's what you do, arrest their adult legal guardians (parents) because I don't believe most 5 year olds are coming here on there own. If your parents brought you here illegally when you were 5 and you are now 18 and still don't understand the concept of illegal alien then your an idiot and should be deported. If your 18, here illegally and have done nothing to rectify the issue except hide in the basement and hope it all goes away then yes you are guilty of a crime.

What is the logic behind deporting someone who was raised here? The parents are out of the equation, and the birth country didn't send them here. You'd be punishing someone who didn't do anything. I can't agree that just because you turn a certain age and haven't self deported to a place you're not familiar with makes you a criminal.

Our government believes it can register and track every gun in this country, and that is an inanimate object smaller than a bread box. If they can do that then they are capable of devising a system to track visa's and the people that they issued them to. We know they can, but it requires them to own up to the fact that expired or no visa equals "here illegally". I don't know of any evidence that our government believes this, but that's besides the point.

If you are here illegally then you will keep that status until you go through proper channels to make your status legal. If this country insists that illegal's be allowed to stay, fine, but you will not have access to every service we citizens have. If you want those services that is your reward for becoming a legal occupant of this country. The entire problem stems from the fact that there are no consequences for being in this country illegally. And no reward for being here legally. That's what "fix the system" means, we must discourage illegal actions and reward proper behavior.

The last paragraph is perfectly reasonable and realistic. If you move here from Hawaii when you're five, and oh yeah your parents changed your name when you were a baby, but never updated your birth certificate, it wouldn't make sense to have to move back to Hawaii to fix your birth certificate. Nor would that change who you are, how you were raised, how you fit in with society, your willingness to be a contributing member to society, your willingness to get into bar fights, or raise or lower your likeliness to commit crimes ranging from speeding to murder.

We can't even begin to pretend to talk about immigration issues until people can get past the knee jerk reaction of "Jus' deport 'em all back to Mex-e-co!"



Maybe a better example is if you were born into a crazy cult and you didn't find out until you were 18 that you were home birthed and there is no record of you anywhere in the country. That doesn't make you a criminal, but now that you're a legal adult, the responsibility falls to you to get yourself documented if you want to have a chance at making your way in this country. It'd make just as much sense to deport a crazy cult baby to Mexico though.

[68Charger]

We can't even begin to pretend to talk about immigration issues until people can get past the knee jerk reaction of "Jus' deport 'em all back to Mex-e-co!"



Maybe a better example is if you were born into a crazy cult and you didn't find out until you were 18 that you were home birthed and there is no record of you anywhere in the country. That doesn't make you a criminal, but now that you're a legal adult, the responsibility falls to you to get yourself documented if you want to have a chance at making your way in this country. It'd make just as much sense to deport a crazy cult baby to Mexico though.

You're falling for the left's narrative/brainwashing that it's not REALLY a crime and if you want illegal immigrants deported you're just a racist redneck. I don't buy the "crazy cult baby" analogy- What crime was committed there? and that person would have no tie to Mexico, where the illegal immigrant has parents that were citizens there. I see it more as the punishment fits the crime.

If there's no punishment for a crime, is it really a crime? What do you think the penalty should be for remaining in this country after you become an adult and you know full damn well you're here illegally? Because a crime is being committed... and if they're willing to ignore that law, what other laws are they willing to ignore?

For what it's worth, I believe in immigration reform... but full amnesty seems like there's a political party buying their votes.
I don't think the powers in charge really want to change it, since it perpetuates a serf population (cheap/free labor).