Trump carries

[HoneyBadger]

Oh, wait...you were serious?




But everyone isn't going to do that. Ever. Not in our lifetimes anyway. I've been hearing that about libertarians for 30 or 40 years. As a matter of fact, almost NO ONE is going to do that. The party has slowly gained traction to where they generally command a whopping +/-1% of the vote in every election. Wow... That's the reality the libertarian party has created.

Cute. I'm not going to rehash your failed logic on this one. Everyone is sick of hearing it. The fact of the matter is that more than 40% of Americans identify themselves as independents and we now see more dissent against the parties than we have seen in 80+ years. Who has been most successful in the current national election cycle? People who refuse to tow the party line. People who have a long history of not agreeing with the party and not participating in the party's control mechanisms. The masses are supporting Trump and Sanders in shocking numbers, and it's precisely because Trump and Sanders ARE NOT representative of the Republican and Democratic parties. It's obvious the 2 major parties have failed the people that support them, but the people continue to support them because the 2 major parties control so much of the election process.

But don't take my word for it. I'm just a crazy guy who is skeptical of your love for an organization that lets you down Every. Single. Time. <-- That last link really speaks for the rest.

[Bailey Guns]

Cute. I'm not going to rehash your failed logic on this one. Everyone is sick of hearing it.

Yeah... Mine is the flawed logic. Guess I missed the part where the libertarian party is a major player. In anything. I'll keep looking, though.

You guys never get it. It's not that I don't like libertarians. It makes no difference what I like or dislike. It does make a difference that about 98% (made that up...but it should be close) of people vote R or D. And that's the bottom line. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...I don't vote R because I'm in love with the party. And you know that. I vote R because they can win. And by winning they control at least a part of the government process. I also vote R because they most closely align with my beliefs and they can win.

Libertarians can't win, and therefore can't control, jack s**t.

Reality sucks.

[HoneyBadger]

Yeah... Mine is the flawed logic. Guess I missed the part where the libertarian party is a major player. In anything. I'll keep looking, though.

You guys never get it. It's not that I don't like libertarians. It makes no difference what I like or dislike. It does make a difference that about 98% (made that up...but it should be close) of people vote R or D. And that's the bottom line. If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...I don't vote R because I'm in love with the party. And you know that. I vote R because they can win. And by winning they control at least a part of the government process. I also vote R because they most closely align with my beliefs and they can win.

Libertarians can't win, and therefore can't control, jack s**t.

Reality sucks.

Yes, please continue to tell me that I live in a fantasy world while ignoring the pile of empirical evidence I presented. Then ask yourself which one of us is refusing to accept reality. If this is your reality, it exists only because you allow it to. If you didn't continue to blindly support "the party" then the party would cease to exist. It really is that simple.

[jslo]

Yes, please continue to tell me that I live in a fantasy world while ignoring the pile of empirical evidence I presented. Then ask yourself which one of us is refusing to accept reality. If this is your reality, it exists only because you allow it to. If you didn't continue to blindly support "the party" then the party would cease to exist. It really is that simple.

I don't think Bailey has that much clout. Guessing you're going to have to convince maybe another 65 million or so.
But I could be wrong.

[HoneyBadger]

I don't think Bailey has that much clout. Guessing you're going to have to convince maybe another 65 million or so.
But I could be wrong.

The whole is comprised of many individuals.